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Geraldine’s immortal line – "The Devil made me do it!"

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Popular culture tells us we are not really responsible for our actions. It's too hard to decide what is right, so let someone else decide for you.


Rich,

I find your statement a bit absurd. You named a number of individuals whose programs were not dedicated to telling you how to live your life but rather freeing you to make your own informed decisions (such as on abortion).
Then you pose the above quote which would seem to be condemning the religious right for letting others decide for you what is right.
If you are on the side of freedom to choose (what ever that choice might be) you are placing the responsibility in the hands of the individual. If you think people are so weak minded that they need to be told what to do (which I think most people who follow religion fit into....NOT all Terry), then Hillary Oprah or who ever tries to widen reasonable choices should be your hero.
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Barry, I see it a little differently. I see the liberal abortion agenda as denying women any alternative to abortion. If you don't believe this, try counseling women to have their babies and put them up for adoption. This is what I hear in return: "Oh, I could never do that. I could never give up my child."

 

So killing the baby is better.

 

By excusing abortion with a "There, there, it's all right" attitude, you make the easy way the only way.

 

The abortion mongers say they want abortion to be rare. But don't you dare offer an alternative.

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Barry, I see it a little differently. I see the liberal abortion agenda as denying women any alternative to abortion.


Well, I am far removed from direct contact with such issues and if what you say is correct, I agree that people should be given all alternatives. Unwanted pregnancy, no matter how it is resolved, produces pain. I think (and I am no expert to be sure) that a woman that chooses to go through with her pregnancy and either let for adoption or keep the child, would experience less overall pain. But being a guy, and not a psychologist at that, I am purely speculating.
If you recall Murphy Brown, the TV show, had Candice Bergen getting pregnant and chooosing to keep the child. If any show had a strong positive liberal message that one did.
I suspect that there is a lively debate within the liberal community about how to position "alternatives" relative to abortion. Real freedom to choose is one with a level playing field in my opinion.
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Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- The nation's largest abortion business has started a new wireless communications system partnering with a long-time pro-abortion long-distance carrier. Planned Parenthood's new cell phone service will allow pro-abortion activists to not only make calls but get action alerts from the organization.
Planned Parenthood Wireless is a new affinity program that allows its supporters to sign up for a mobile phone service and see 10% of their monthly bill go back to the abortion business.

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Just a tad bit of a biased source there.....

PP is about a lot more than abortion. It is about access to information of all sorts including and especially birth control. The idea that it is only about abortion is absurd, but I am sure LIFENEWS is about nothing but making it illegal. (Unless there are other sexual rights they want to delete as well)


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Just a tad bit of a biased source there....


Name a news source that isn't biased.

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PP is about a lot more than abortion.


Is, what you're saying by this; that we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water?

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Terry,

I need another cappucino before I can handle puns like that......

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By the way, the quote window at the bottom of the screen had the following entry:

 

"I didn't do it, no one saw me do it, there's no way you can prove anything!"


Bart Simpson (7)

 

Wasn't it really Mario Cuomo who said that? I forget the context.

If you added, "And besides everyone else is doing it too!" You'd have the Cinton mantra. 


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   Please, for such fortunate people, "STOP" being so judgmental about abortion.

I believe no one has the right to play judge,jury & executioner.

Not one of you would even consider adopting a child that has been less fortunate & has come from a circumstance that was a result of an "uneducated" and/or "less fortunate" mother who went through with her pregnancy.

Everyone professes their righteousness, but would never step up to the plate to help the "poor" woman faced with this decision.

Every woman has the "RIGHT TO CHOOSE".

Therefore, I guess I am a "Catholic for Choice".

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AMEN!   I say anyone who sees this as a B&W issue has no sensitivity to either womens rights or human life. Sadly, I think the uninvolved (men) have the most stern attitude about it.

I agree, put YOUR life where your beliefs are and adopt/help. I do respect that.....so easy just to opine.


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An a woman who has an abortion is just that. Isn't she?

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Terrence, there you go being logical again.

 

I despair of debating those who only see abortion as an emotional issue.

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Sadly, I think the uninvolved (men) have the most stern attitude about it.


I disagree. It is us men who are involved that have the most stern attitude.

Does anyone really think we are better off now, in this permissive society, than when we were back in the 50's? Usually, those who "opine" on an alumni board long for the "good old days".

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Does anyone really think we are better off now, in this permissive society, than when we were back in the 50's? Usually, those who "opine" on an alumni board long for the "good old days".


Oh yes! OH YES! We are so much better off now. For one thing, we can debate all these issues instead of going to jail for so many victimless crimes!
In 1950 you could be arrested and jailed for:
- Private sexual behavior not approved of by the state (Gay sex, heterosex other than with your spouse, OR other than missionary0
- Even BEING in a gay bar
- PDA in many places
- Rape of a spouse was NOT a crime
- Private pornography was a crime
- Inter racial marriage was a crime in many states
- Segregation was the law
Life:
- Pregnancy out of wedlock meant ostracization (why did they get abortions?)
- Abortions were unsafe and many died or were permanently harmed
- Emotional issues were NEVER discussed or dealt with (including alcaholism)
- Priest had thier altar boys (and altar girls if they were available) and of course all sex was denial so you never spoke up (no not a personal experience)
- Sex education was on the streets
- Divorce was a no-no so you stayed married to the guy that beat you or was an alcaholic or that you hated (or to the woman)
- Problems were denied instead of dealt with in life

Terry,
You may have liked those days that were not permissive because a strict religionist doesn't like to see diversity. It is too challenging to a narrow belief system. To the strict religionist everyone has to fit certain roles becasue they are dictated by thaat religion. Where they don't fit they are either cast out or denied. That applies to a whole range of issues in life.

I like the idea that we have freedom to be individuals and define our own lives instead of having a bunch of old men who have denied themselves lives define ours....
Barry


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