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Why is it that everyone assumes that all discussions have by nature, only two sides? These are complex issues with many sides and nuances. No one is saying that drug companies do not perform essential discovery and produce an outstanding product. I am sure that MOST of the people at thses companies are dedicated to producing a great product that makes the world better. But that is thier job. The guys who report to the board have to maintain very high profitability and do so with sometimes questionable means in terms of price controls that mean that less people get the benefits of those drugs. I agree they spend HUGE amounts of money on R&D but the spend MORE on marketing and advertising. They also spend money paying off political types legislate in thier favor which frequently is NOT in our favor.
No one says that drug companies are bad,
No one said they should not make a good profit
No one said they don't spent hugely on R&D to keep th goodies coming....
That is not where the criticism is....this is a complex issue, lets not bring it down to 'for' / 'against'.


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Yes, the drug companies spend great deals of money for R&D.  Yes, they need to turn a profit to continue this and yes, they do do a good job.  I have no problem with them selling Viagra to turn the profit into research for curing breast cancer.  Often when trying to find a cure for one thing, many other problems can be treated by some of the discoveries.  Everyday, we read where one medication can also help treat ailments other than what they're originally designed for.

However, there are underlying factions there too.  There are the freebies distributed to doctors, to let patients try for a week before filling a prescription.  Couldn't these be offered to folks who need them, but can't afford them?   I know there are programs for this and see them mentioned in many drug advertisements. So, maybe more can be made available?  While they may not get federal funds, they do get funding from the various charities for different diseases, for their R&D.  I realize this is probably a small drop in the bucket, but does offset some costs.  As for the generic companies getting money, I liken it to buying a foreign car.  I was once asked why I bought a Japanese car, as opposed to American.  Well, I bought it at an American dealership, from an American Salesman.  Then there's the consideration that while it's Japanese, it was assembled here in the U.S.  Check the assemply point on the door of a Crown Victoria lately?  What state is Toronto in? 

Why are our parents being priced out of receiving needed medications?  It's the seniors who are most in need of medication, but since they're retired and covered by medicare/caid, must pay full costs on these meds.  I have a fifteen dollar copay, my father has a two hundred dollar bill, for the same medication.  That's fair?  The generics offer a break from these prices and that's why I back their being offered.  Big business has a bottom line, but the general public feeds it.  From where does the senior's bottom line get revenues?  Perhaps a place for those freebies to go?

Don't mean to offend or slight anyone, or their line of work.  Just trying to open other windows of observation.


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I have a fifteen dollar copay, my father has a two hundred dollar bill, for the same medication.  That's fair?

There is nothing fair in our medical system. On one hand having the profit incentive is good because it produces enterprising results. On the other hand the way the system works, those most in need are least in resources. This is especially true of those without insurance.
More and more I look at the socialised medical systems of Canada, France and other countries and think how much better a solution they have given thier people. If the capitalist system is badly run it produces very bad results for the people. Ironically the best example of that is "Communist China" which has all the enterprise and none of the care.


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More and more I look at the socialized medical systems of Canada, France and other countries and think how much better a solution they have given their people.


I suggest you look at the wait times for treatment in Canada. Canadians come to the US for faster service of non-life threatening problems. Two cases I know of; 4 years for oral surgery (wisdom teeth removal) 6 years for autistic children to get into a school.

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I suggest you look at the wait times for treatment in Canada. Canadians come to the US for faster service of non-life threatening problems. Two cases I know of; 4 years for oral surgery (wisdom teeth removal) 6 years for autistic children to get into a school.

Terry,
I have heard about wait times for some things. But what you quote is anaecdotal. I would like to see a more thorough analysis of Canadian and other countries systems. Plainly our medical system is ludicrous in how it works. One serious illness and you can be bankrupted. No other country is screwed up. If honest people sat down and studied the systems used elsewhere they could propose sweeping changes because it is beyond repair now. Beleive me, people in these other countries don't have to worry that they will be destroyed financially by illness.....we do.


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just came in from a friend -

 

 
DRUG RECALL INFORMATION

All drugs containing PHENYLPROPANOLAMINE are being recalled.
You may want to try calling the 800 number listed on most
drug boxes and inquire about a REFUND Please read this
CAREFULLY. Also, please pass this on to everyone you know.

STOP TAKING anything containing this ingredient. It has been
linked to increased hemorrhagic stroke
(bleeding in brain)
among women ages 18-49 in the three days after starting use
of medication. Problems were not found in men, but the FDA
recommended that everyone (
even children) seek alternative
medicine.

The following medications contain Phenylpropanolamine:

Acutrim Diet Gum Appetite Suppressant
Acutrim Plus Dietary Supplements
Acutrim Maximum Strength Appetite Control
Alka-Seltzer Plus Children's Cold Medicine Effervescent
Alka-Seltzer Plus Cold medicine (cherry or orange)
Alka-Seltzer Plus Cold Medicine Original
Alka-Seltzer Plus Cold & Cough Medicine Effervescent
Alka-Seltzer Plus Cold & Flu Medicine
Alka-Seltzer Plus Cold & Sinus Effervescent
Alka Seltzer Plus Night-Time Cold Medicine
BC Allergy Sinus Cold Powder
BC Sinus Cold Powder
Comtrex Flu Therapy & Fever Relief
Day & Night Contac 12-Hour Cold Capsules
Contac 12 Hour Caplets
Coricidin D Cold, Flu & Sinus
Dexatrim Caffeine Free
Dexatrim Extended Duration
Dexatrim Gelcaps
Dexatrim Vitamin C/Caffeine Free
Dimetapp Cold & Allergy Chewable Tablets
Dimetapp Cold & Cough Liqui-Gels
Dimetapp DM Cold & Cough Elixir
Dimetapp Elixir
Dimetapp 4 Hour Liquid Gels
Dimetapp 4 Hour Tablets
Dimetapp 12 Hour Extentabs Tablets
Naldecon DX Pediatric Drops
Permathene Mega-16
Robitussin CF
Tavist-D 12 Hour Relief of Sinus & Nasal
Congestion
Triaminic DM Cough Relief
Triaminic Expectorant Chest & Head
Triaminic Syrup Cold & Allergy
Triaminic Triaminicol Cold & Cough ..

I just found out and called the 800# on the container
for
Triaminic and they informed me that they are voluntarily
recalling the following medicines because of a certain
ingredient that is causing strokes and seizures in children
:

Orange 3D Cold & Allergy Cherry (Pink)
3D Cold & Cough Berry
3D Cough Relief Yellow 3D Expectorant

They are asking you to call them at 800-548-3708 with
the lot number on the box so they can send you postage for you
to send it back to them, and they will also issue you a
refund. If you know of anyone else with small children,
PLEASE PASS THIS ON. THIS IS SERIOUS STUFF!

DO PASS ALONG TO ALL ON YOUR MAILING LIST so people are
informed. They can then pass it along to their families.

To confirm these findings please take time to check the
following:

  http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/infopage/ppa/

PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO YOUR CHILDREN IN CASE THEY GIVE IT TO THEIR CHILDREN OR TO FRIENDS WHO HAVE CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN.
check snopes:
 
Urban Legends Reference Pages: PPA Recall Alert •••
Has the FDA announced a recall of all drug products containing PPA?
  ...--> Medical --> Drugs --> PPA Recall Alert PPA Recall Alert Claim: Drug products containing PPA (phenylpropanolamine) were pulled from the market...
  ...All drugs containing PHENYLPROPANOLAMINE (PPA) are being recalled. You may want to try calling the 800 number listed on most drug boxes and inquire about...
  ...ACTION REQUIRED!! The FDA has announced a recall of all drug products containing PPA (phenylpropanolamine). The AAFES stock assortment contains 23...
Thu, 02 Nov 2006 21:57:45 GMT http://www.snopes.com/medical/drugs/ppa.asp


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They didn't mention "huffing" did they?

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Frank I thought this was a joke until I went to Snopes and later attached it.

 


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Bro Joe,

 

Years ago, for allergies, I was prescribed Nolamine.  If I remember correctly, it was yanked off the market because of severe side effects as you mentioned.

So when I read your post, I was surprised to see that it was still around as an ingredient.  In your readings, did you find anything about the earlier action?

 

Thanks,

 

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I guess I am 3 degrees of seperation from this:
1) not female
2) over 49 and not under 18
3) not taking any of them....

Good thing claretin was not included or singular or you could visit me in bed 24/7 this time of year.


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Perhaps men over 49 have some immuno-defense since our brains are often pickled, frozen in middle crisis or were never used to begin with.

 

Looks like we lucked out anatomically once again.

 

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Looks like we lucked out anatomically once again.


From zero to 60 males have it made. We have strength, career advantages, limitless sexual abilities (well from puberty on anyway), few gender related health risks other than baldness. You can pee anywhere. People expect you to fart and the world is your oyster. The train reverses at 60. Everything above reverses. We can't pee anywhere, have prostate issues not the least is cancer, high blood pressure, high risk of age related diseases earlier and greater unrealistic expectations on what we can do. (in or out of bed)

For females, life starts at 50. Libido is peaking, all gender related diseases are behind you, you have accepted your place in the world with ease, greater life expectancy and lots of women to talk to for the remaining 45 years of your lives.....and dare I say, your husbands remaining insurance etc. to fund it from now on.

Maybe 60 is the time to switch rails and get the advantages of the other side.....

Can I take it with me?

All in light jest no offenses intended


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Think about it................

A car company can move its factories to
Mexico and claim it's a free market.
A toy company can out source to a Chinese
subcontractor and claim it's a free market.
A major bank can incorporate in Bermuda
to avoid taxes and claim it's a free market.
We can buy HP Printers made in Mexico
We can buy shirts made in Bangladesh
We can purchase almost anything we want
from 2 0 different countries
BUT, heaven help the elderly who dare
to buy their pres cription drugs from a
Canadian pharmacy.
That 's called un-American!
And you think the pharmaceutical companies
don't have a powerful lobby?
Think again!
Please forward this to every person you
know over age 50.
It is an interesting point of view.
Maybe this is an issue that should come up
in the next election!
Forget age 50, send it to everyone!
We're all in this boat together


 


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