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Quote:Originally Posted by laguna_bQuote:By the way, 'declaring' debates over is a way stifling discussions long employed by socialists and seemingly now spreading throughout the left.What the hell are you talking about? No one declared the debate over but then when everyone sees as intuitively obvious the conclusion, the burden of proof rests on the dissenter. Like Creationism vs Evolution.....prove that the body of evidence that seems so weighted in one direction is in fact in error.
That’s an in creditable amount of misinformation in one statement, even for you. Surely, you remember Al Gore's statement while being interview by George Stephanopolus in the summer of 06, “...the debate in the scientific community is over." Has evolution explained the creation of life yet? Have they any evidence of how life came to be? Or are they still relying on theroy for that, as others rely on faith? In checking to make sure I had the quote correct (that's verifying my facts before posting them, something you may want to try SOMEDAY) I found some wonderful articles. Clearly, the your conclusion isn’t ' intuitively obvious' - a strange term for scientific research - to everyone. Here is one article I especially recommend to Ken; http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.Facts&ContentRecord_id=5E3E21F5-1B4C-4208-912D-87D0A5BA342B&IsPrint=true some commentary on that article; http://newsbusters.org/node/6231 and an interesting video. http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=DRaeEIN5Sh8&eurl=http%3A//www.heartland.org/Article.cfm%3FartId%3D19551&iurl=http%3A//img.youtube.com/vi/DRaeEIN5Sh8/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskI_L67x87Py5NbjW8fC3RrF&rel=1&border=0Quote:Originally Posted by laguna_bQuote:As far as 'settled science' back in the 70's the coming ice age was settled science and advancedTo compare a report by a few scientists in 1970 absent the computational tools or knowledge we have now to the overwhelming body of evidence presented to support human caused climate change is just typical distraction and redirection....not intelligent pursuit of knowledge. In other words...that was hardly settled science.... You claim that only "a few" of scientists in the 70's felt we were heading for a new ice age is belied by the fact that TIME Magazine thought it news worthy enough to carry "Another Ice Age?" in their June 24, 1974 issue. http://www.google.com/custom?domains=JunkScience.com&q=another+ice+age&sitesearch=JunkScience.com&sa=Google+Search&client=pub-3841204415070352&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&safe=active&cof=GALT%3A%230066CC%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23999999%3BVLC%3A336633%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3AFF9900%3BALC%3A0066CC%3BLC%3A0066CC%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A666666%3BGIMP%3A666666%3BFORID%3A1&hl=en
And I can assure the caliber of the scientist preaching Global Cooling back then is equal to that of those screeching Global Warming today? In fact many are the exact same scientists. Quote:Originally Posted by laquna_bQuote:And it certainly has contributed to our not having been attacked in the last six yearsYou have proof of this? If so why has the NIE consistently said that our foul play in Iraq has made us LESS safe? You must have a better source???The same NIE, that you are so fond of saying has said the world is now less safe, while you omit that in the same report the NIE said we have no alternative but to fight, and Iraq is a key battlefield and extremly important to al Qaeda, has also said among other things that, "In the years since 9/11, successive detainees have helped us and our allies gauge our progress in the fight against al-Qa'ida by providing updated information on the changing structure and health of the organization. " "The detention of terrorists disrupts — at least temporarily — the plots they were involved in, saving the lives not only of Americans but also of countless of men, women, and children around the globe:" "Detainees have provided names approximately 86 individuals — many of whom we had never heard of before — that al-Qa'ida has deemed suitable for Western operations. We have shared these names broadly within the US intelligence and law enforcement communities and with key partners overseas. Nearly half these individuals have been removed from the battlefield by the US and its allies." Additionally I've spoken with an army officer who was the S-3, that's battalion intelligence, at Fallujah in 04. He told me and a few others that they had sent a' fair bit of quality intel up the chain'. 'Not just to do with Iraq ops, but a lot of it external.' He went on to say how surprised they were that such quality information was left in Fallujah after al Qaeda knew they were about to be attacked. But it seems it wasn't too unususal for 'actionable information' to be left lying around.That all certainly equates to lives having been saved here!
Barry, earlier you posted, “ … prove that the body of evidence that seems so weighted in one direction is in fact in error.” What is that body of evidence that evolutionist put forward regarding how life sprung forth? Indeed what is ANY EVIDENCE as to how life began? Not how it developed once it came to be, but how it came to be? I know one THEROY put forth that has to do with lightening striking a mud puddle or such. Accepting that would take a quite a leap of FAITH!
Quote:Originally Posted by laguna_bQuote:And I can assure the caliber of the scientist preaching Global Cooling back then is equal to that of those screeching Global Warming today? In fact many are the exact same scientists.SHOW ME THEN!
James Hansen now referred to as “the father of global warming” was cited in the Washington Post in 1971 as a key research associate on a project that concluded, on the basis of a computer program he devised, that “a new ice age”, as the headline put it, was less then 50 years off.
Here is link to some of Dr. Hansen’s more recent hypes, excuse me perditions and their accuracy, or lack there off.
Incidentally, recently Hansen has changed his tune again somewhat and has said, "The burning of fossil fuels produces a pall of particle haze that reflects as much of the sun's energy back into space as the release of carbon dioxide has trapped in the air", at least according to the he New York Times. And that prompted Ken Green of the Reason Public Policy Institute to state, “Had anyone followed Hansen’s policy prescriptions 10 years ago the wasted resources would be in the billions, for no gain, and in fact, could have exacerbated the problem, if there is a problem.”
I guess Hansen’s called the father of global warming because of all the hot air he emits and has for over 30 years now.
Today climatologist Stephen Schneider is referred to as ‘global warming’s salesman’ because of his statements like, "To capture the public imagination, we have to offer up some scary scenarios, make simplified dramatic statements and little mention of any doubts one might have. Each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective, and being honest" (Talk about hyping Kool Aid! Oh well, at least Barry’s buying hook line and sinker.) But in the 70’s Schneider was singing a different tune than he sings today. “There is a finite possibility that a serious worldwide cooling could befall the Earth within the next 100 years.”
Such consistencies certainly engender confidence, unless of course you actually think.Quote:Originally Posted by laguna_bQuote:Iraq is a key battlefield and extremly important to al Qaeda, has also said among other things that, There was NO AL QUEDA in Iraq UNTIL we invaded...and our presence in Iraq is cited as exacerbating our image and used for recruiting purposes.But then that is strategy.....not a strong point for you and your Chimp. Time has certainly shown that.....We are So secure under the Chimp....we had all those illegals working in SECURE sections of Chicagos airport as previously cited and just today http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071115/ts_nm/aviation_security_dc_1;_ylt=AgBIxMDO_btyDvrqCvwg8skE1vAIwe see this report.....We are LUCKY not safe.
You repeatedly make that assumption, but there is an abundance of evidence that Saddam had some ties with al Qaeda and was seeking to expand them, for example the 911 Commission Report and various NIC summaries. Regardless, they are there now and winning in Iraq is paramount to their strategy. Defeating them there should be paramount to us.
If al Qaeda wasn't so engaged in Iraq, where do you think they would be and what would they be doing? Sitting around a campfire in the desert sing Kumbaya? I guess you suppose there were no Islamist fanatics before we liberated Iraq?
We haven’t been successfully attacked in over six year. Luck helps, but it’s more than luck! Of course your BDS clouds you perception of reality. But I’m sure your strategy of blaming the president for everything and… well that seem to be your only strategy, and that certainly won’t keep the country safe.
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Every single evening
As I'm lying here in bed,
This tiny little Prayer
Keeps running through my head:
God bless all my family
Wherever they may be,
Keep them warm and safe from harm
For they're so close to me.
And God, there is one more thing
I wish that you could do;
Hope you don't mind me asking,
Please bless my computer too
Now I know that it's unusual
To Bless a motherboard,
But listen just a second
While I explain it to you, Lord.
You see, that little metal box
Holds more than odds and ends;
Inside those small compartments
Rest so many of my friends.
I know so much about them
By the kindness that they give,
And this little scrap of metal
Takes me in to where they live.
By faith is how I know them
Much the same as you,
We share in what life brings us
And from that our friendships grew.
Please take an extra minute
From your duties up above,
To bless those in my address book
That's filled with so much love.
Wherever else this prayer may reach
To each and every friend,
And each person who hits "send."
When you update your Heavenly list
On your own Great CD-ROM,
Bless everyone who says this prayer
Sent up to GOD.com.
11 "Don't-Tell-the-Wife" Secrets All Men Keep
WebMD Feature from "Redbook" Magazine
By Ty Wenger
I was in the ninth grade when I learned a vital lesson about love. My girlfriend at the time, Amy, was stunningly cute, frighteningly smart and armed with a seemingly endless supply of form-fitting angora sweaters. And me? Let's just say I was an adolescent Chris Robinson to her budding Kate Hudson -- and well aware of my good fortune.
Then one day, as we stood in line for a movie at the mall, Simone Shaw, junior high prom queen, sauntered by. Suddenly Amy turned to me. "Were you looking at her?" she asked. "Do you think she's pretty?"
My mind reeled. Of course I was looking at her! Of course she was pretty! My God, she was Simone Shaw! I paused for a second, then decided to play it straight.
"Well, yeah," I chortled.
Five days later our breakup hit the tabloids (a.k.a. the lunchroom).
There comes a time in every man's life when he discovers the value of hiding the grosser parts of his nature. He starts reciting the sweet nothings you long to hear: "No, honey, I play golf for the exercise." "No, honey, I think you're a great driver." "No, honey, I wasn't looking at that coed washing the car in the rain."
We're not lying, exactly. We're just making things...easier. But Glenn Good, Ph.D., a relationship counselor, disagrees, and maybe he has a point. "These white lies are pretty innocent, but they can turn confusing," he says. "Many women think, If he's lying about himself, is he also lying about something else? Is he having an affair? To establish trust you have to tell the truth about the innocuous stuff."
And so, in the interest of uniting the sexes, we've scoured the country for guys willing to share the private truths they wouldn't normally confess. Some are a bit crass. Some you've always suspected. Some are surprisingly sweet. (Guys don't like to reveal the mushy stuff, either.) But read on, and you may discover that the truth about men isn't all that ugly.
If the oldest question in history is "What's for dinner?" the second oldest is "Were you looking at her?" The answer: Yes -- yes, we were. If you're sure your man doesn't look, it only means he possesses acute peripheral vision.
"When a woman walks by, even if I'm with my girlfriend, my vision picks it up," says Doug LaFlamme, 28, of Laguna Hills, California. "I fight the urge to look, but I just have to. I'm really in trouble if the woman walking by has a low-cut top on."
Granted, we men are well aware that our sizing up the produce doesn't sit well with you, given that we've already gone through the checkout line together. But our passing glances pose no threat.
"It's not that I want to make a move on her," says LaFlamme. "Looking at other women is like a radar that just won't turn off."
More than 21 million American men play at least one round of golf a year; of those, an astounding 75 percent regularly shoot worse than 90 strokes a round. In other words, they stink. The point is this: "Going golfing" is not really about golf. It's about you, the house, the kids -- and the absence thereof.
"I certainly don't play because I find it relaxing and enjoyable," admits Roland Buckingham, 32, of Lewes, Delaware, whose usual golf score of 105 is a far-from-soothing figure. "As a matter of fact, sometimes by the fourth hole I wish I were back at the house with the kids screaming. But any time I leave the house and don't invite my wife or kids -- whether it's for golf or bowling or picking up roadkill -- I'm just getting away."
This is a dicey one, so first things first: We love you to death. We think you're fantastic. Most of the time we're absolutely thrilled that we've made a lifelong vow of fidelity to you in front of our families, our friends and an expensive videographer.
But most of us didn't spend our formative years thinking, "Gosh, I just can't wait to settle down with a nice girl so we can grow old together." Instead we were obsessed with how many women who resembled Britney Spears we could have sex with before we turned 30. Generally it takes us a few years (or decades) to fully perish that thought.
In more than 7.4 million U.S. marriages, the wife earns more than the husband -- almost double the number in 1981. This of course is a terrific development for women in the workplace and warmly embraced by all American men, right? Right?
Yeah, well, that's what we tell you. But we're shallow, competitive egomaniacs. You don't think it gets under our skin if our woman's bringing home more bacon than we are -- and frying it up in a pan?
"My wife and I are both reporters at the same newspaper," says Jeffrey Newton, 33, of Fayetteville, South Carolina. "Five years into our marriage I still check her pay stub to see how much more an hour I make than she does. And because she works harder, she keeps closing the gap."
I risk being shunned at the local bar if this magazine finds its way there, because few charades are as beloved by guys as this one. To hear us talk, the Bataan Death March beats grouting that bathroom shower. And, as 30-year-old Ed Powers of Chicago admits, it's a shameless lie. "In truth, it's rewarding to tinker with and fix something that, without us, would remain broken forever," he says. Plus we get to use tools.
"The reason we don't share this information," Powers adds, "is that most women don't differentiate between taking out the trash and fixing that broken hinge; to them, both are tasks we need to get done over the weekend, preferably during the Bears game. But we want the use-your-hands, think-about-the-steps-in-the-process, home-repair opportunity, not the repetitive, no-possibility-of-a-compliment, mind-dulling, purely physical task." There. Secret's out.
With apologies to Sigmund Freud, Gloria Steinem -- and my mother-in-law.
Sure, we look like adults. We own a few suits. We can probably order wine without giggling. But although we resemble our father when he was our age, we still feel like that 4-year-old clutching his pant leg.
With that much room left on our emotional-growth charts, we sense we've only begun to admire you in the ways we will when we're 40, 50 and -- God forbid -- 60. We can't explain this to you, because it would probably come out sounding like we don't love you now.
"It took at least a year before I really started to appreciate my wife for something other than just great sex; and I didn't discover her mind fully until the third year we were married," says Newton. "But the older and wiser I get, the more I love my wife." Adds J.P. Neal, 32, of Potomac, Maryland: "The for-richer-or-poorer, for-better-or-worse aspects of marriage don't hit you right away. It's only during those rare times when we take stock of our life that it starts to sink in."
You know how, during the day, you sometimes think about certain deep, complex "issues" in your relationship? Then when you get home, you want to "discuss" these issues? And during these "discussions," your man sits there nodding and saying things like "Sure, I understand," "That makes perfect sense" and "I'll do better next time"?
Well, we don't understand. It doesn't make any sense to us at all. And although we'd like to do better next time, we could only do so if, in fact, we had an idea of what you're talking about.
We do care. Just be aware that the part of our brain that processes this stuff is where we store sports trivia.
Want to know how to reduce your big, tough guy to a quivering mass of fear? Ask him for the car keys.
"I am scared to death when she drives," says LaFlamme.
"Every time I ride with her, I fully accept that I may die at any moment," says Buckingham.
"My wife has about one 'car panic' story a week -- and it's never her fault. All these horrible things just keep happening -- it must be her bad luck," says Andy Beshuk, 31, of Jefferson City, Missouri.
Even if your man is too diplomatic to tell you, he is terrified that you will turn him into a crash-test dummy.
Granted, when I was 25 I was working 16-hour days and eating shrimp-flavored Ramen noodles six times a week. But as much as we love being with you now, we will always look back fondly on the malnourished freedom of our misguided youth. "Springsteen concerts, the '91 Mets, the Clinton presidency -- most guys reminisce about the days when life was good, easy and free of responsibility," says Rob Aronson, 41, of Livingston, New Jersey, who's been married for 11 years. "At 25 you can get away with things you just can't get away with at 40."
While it doesn't mean we're leaving you to join a rock band, it does explain why we occasionally come home from Pep Boys with a leather steering-wheel cover and a Born to Run CD.
I was on a trip to Mexico, standing on a beach, waxing my surfboard and admiring the glistening 10-foot waves, when I decided to marry the woman who is now my wife. Sure, this was three years before I got around to popping the question. But that was when I knew.
Why? Because she'd let me go on vacation alone. Hell, she made me go. This is the most important thing a man never told you: If you let us be dumb guys, if you embrace our stupid poker night, if you encourage us to go surfing -- by ourselves -- our silly little hearts, with their manly warts and all, will embrace you forever for it.
And that's the truth.
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