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You can even call it Christmas, but, if it doesn't fit the definition, it ain't it.


Definitions change....that is what language is all about. I know it probably bugs you that Christmas is more a commercial/holiday/gift giving/ski weekend/trip to Maui etc. Those are all secular. You are confounded both by success of Christmas (I hate typing it all out but I do it because I know you don't like X'Mas) and by its failure to stay within a religious definition.

Look at Halloween....that is a religious Pagan holiday taken over as a time to do creative costumes and extort candy from neighbors. It is what it is and what it has become. We are in a FREE country so that for you it is a holy time, for most of the rest it is a big party time. Don't stress on it....  




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Definitions change....that is what language is all about.


Maybe in your mind. People try to change the definition of words so they can twist things. So that truth becomes a lie. That light becomes dark. An' oh how very dark will the darkness be when that happens?

The Truth is heavy, therefore few care to carry it.

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Ok, Terry, back to you then...

What do you tell people around the world celebrating Christmas, who are NOT Christian or certainly not active? Do you tell them to stop?

Shall we move the Christmas vacation to the week AFTER New Years so it will not look like an endorsement of an orthodox holiday?


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The people around the world you are talking about are not celebrating Christmas. They are just lining their pockets. It would be just like me selling a Buddha or a prayer wheel.

Some non-Christians have Hanuka, they've had it for centuries. Have "Happy Holidays" or "Winter Festival", "Festivus" if you'd like. I'll respect your "holiday". But ya can't have Christmas without Christ.

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Shall we move the Christmas vacation to the week AFTER New Years so it will not look like an endorsement of an orthodox holiday?

Move it (vacation) to the freakin' 10th of July for all I care. Public Schools haven't called it "Christmas Vacation" in years. Where you been?

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This conversation is ridiculous. What is it about the Christ in Christmas you don't get?

This conversation is also getting .

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The key is that there is the secular Christmas & the religious Christmas. Barry is talking about the former & Terry about the latter. Many times, however, it is difficult to separate the two.


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From the NY Times Week in Review:

"...religions are getting multicultural as they consider combining Christmas and Yom Kippur, the Jewish day of atonement. The resulting holiday would be called "yule be sorry."

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All this talk about holidays around Christmas reminds me of 11 years ago when I took my Family to Disney World. We were driving around the Orlando/Kissamee area and there were all these stores and shops and places that seemed to be saying: "As long as you're dropping $$$$ at Disney, Drop some $$ by us."


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"...religions are getting multicultural as they consider combining Christmas and Yom Kippur, the Jewish day of atonement. The resulting holiday would be called "yule be sorry."

I get the joke. But shouldn't you be mentioning combining Christmas with "Hanuka"? (as Terry spelled it)


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The key is that there is the secular Christmas


A clear example of an oxymoron.

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I always thought an oxymoron was a moran who needed air to breathe.

Since this thread is  from the original subject of Operations Warriers and Festivus Poles, I might as well  with my wife over test batches of Christmas Apple Cider and enjoy ourselves reading the threads in here.

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Christmas is a national holiday. Since the U.S. has separation of church & state, it therefore must be a secular holiday. Many of our Christmas traditions are based on pagan traditions, e.g. the Christmas tree & the Yule log. Many cultures celebrate the secular Christmas, such as the Chinese & Japanese. Even some Jewish people will have a Channukah Bush.

Remember the only reason the word Christ is in Christmas is because Christ & Christmas are ENGLISH words. For example, Brazilians say Boas Festas (Good Holidays), Finns say Hauskaa Joulua (Merry Yule), Swedes say Gud Jul (Good Yule), etc. BTW, Yule is a winter festival celebrated in Northern Europe since ancient times.

So arguing, that secular Christmas is an oxymoron is not valid. I can celebrate Good Yule (as the Swedes would say) as a time of peace, gift giving, family, etc. Also remember that December 25th was picked so as to coincide with the pagan festivals which celebrated the beginning of the end of winter. Thus, you have a secular Yule (or, as we say in English, Christmas).

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"...religions are getting multicultural as they consider combining Christmas and Yom Kippur, the Jewish day of atonement. The resulting holiday would be called "yule be sorry."

My favorite post in this whole thread

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