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Folks, you are not going to believe this!!!
 
The Monday, November 26th, 2007 New York Post has reported the lastest contract terms for Alex Rodriguez
(subject to his passing a physical):
 
A ten year $275 million contract with a maximum bonus of $30 million, which means he could make $305 million.

 

Nothing like a few incentives in the contract!


 
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Now get this: here is the list of the bonus possibilities:

 
1. $6 million for tying Willie Mays in lifetime HRs.
    Mays has 660, Rodriguez has 518.
 
2. Another $6 million for tying Babe Ruth (714 HRs)
 
3. Another $6 million for tying Hank Aaron (755 HRs)
 
4. Another $6 million for tying Barry Bonds (now at
    762 HRs).
 
That only adds up to $24 million, you say??
 
5. Believe it or not, Rodriguez will receive another
    $6 million for breaking Bond's record.  That's right,
    he will get $6 million for hitting just one more HR!!

 

How much more will A-Rod make for getting his face on a Wheaties box?


 
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Two observations:
 
1. The Steinbrenner family have lost their collective minds.
 
2. Any Yankee fan that pays to see Rodriguez hit these HRs has lost his/her mind.


It has been rumored George is going senile. Since he is still the priniciple owner, Hank isn't likely to take over the team in the near future.
 
Unless A-Rod is sharing steroids with Bonds or his wife wears that  shirt again, the fans will still turn out for the game.

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Originally Posted by JimDavis

Two observations:
 
1. The Steinbrenner family have lost their collective minds.
 
2. Any Yankee fan that pays to see Rodriguez hit these HRs has lost his/her mind.

 

If ARod hits these homers and continues to put up the other numbers ( RBI's , Avg ,M.V.P.'s) Possibly a triple crown ?  He would have to be considered one of the all time greatest players. Why as a Yankee fan wouldn't I want to see him do it. The best short stop in baseball history is playing 3rd base for the Yankees. The Yes Networks contract with Japan ( you don't think Matsui is there for a reason ) and the subsequent advertising revenue it generates makes ARod salary look like a drop in the bucket. 4.4 Million attendance. The most sold baseball cap in the world, These guys are making big bucks they can afford him. I don't care how much he makes as long as he plays hard and puts up the numbers. I don't know what team you root for but my 3rd baseman hit 54 homers , drove in 150 + runs and basically carried the team into the playoffs , what did your 3rd baseman do ? I'm glad he's back !! 


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Tom,

The guy cost a fortune, obviously, and  I think he's is a primadonna who chocks up under pressure. And the new contract puts plenty on him. Joel Sherman had a good column on the A-Rod deal today.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11272007/sports/yankees/a_mistake_516150.htm


I say cut the HR bonuses in half and pay him say $15,000 for every game he hits .250 or better. Still low expectations, as is the 24.5 HR he'll have to average over the next ten years to beat bonds, but at least he'll be more likely to try to bring the runner home instead of going for the fences. And it should defuse the pressure somewhat.

But net-net, I don't think the guy's worth it. Bad chemistry in the dugout, hasn't ever won anything and a drama queen. The 96-2000 Yankees' biggest superstar (excluding hired gun Rocket) was probably Paul O'Neil. They were a great, mostly home grown, TEAM. And I'll take a great team or even a very good team, over a few great players any day.

I hope I'm wrong about A-Rod.  But I tell you, I'd fell a lot better about the guy if he dumps Boras - poison.

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My 3rd Baseman: 30 HRs, 107 RBIs, .325 BA
(David Wright). No playoffs, but that was a team non-effort.
 
Best Shortstop in history is still Honus Wagner.
 
Paying anyone $6 million for hitting one HR is insane.
 
Just one man's opinion!!
 
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Jim,

 

I think the deal with A-Rod calls for one bonus for matching Bonds’ current record at 762 then another for matching whatever number Bonds ends up with. Of course Bonds' home run number may have ended at 762 if he winds up in stripes (and not pinstripes) and wearing a number a little longer then 25. A travesty, but very possible.

 

As for the best shortstop in history, at least from 1912 to the  60’s, I’ll defer to the Old Professor who picked Phil Rizzuto for his of all time all star team; an honor Casey didn’t give the Mick, basically for not taking better care of himself.  As was said in A Bronx Tale “The saddest thing in life is wasted talent” and Stengel held that against Mantle.  "He is the greatest shortstop I have ever seen in my entire baseball career, and I have watched some beauties,"  Stengel once said of the Scooter. On another occasion, “Honus Wagner was a better hitter, sure, but I've seen this kid make plays Wagner never did.” He also said, “What about this shortstop Rizzuto who’s got nothing but daughters but throws out the lefthanded hitters in the double play?” Huhhhh????

 

Ted Williams said had Boston had Rizzuto they would have dominated the Yankees. So I guess stats aren’t everything.  But like Jeter today, whose stats don’t reflect his true value, Joe Di said of Rizzuto he ‘holds the team together’. 


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I'm with youy Sammy67.....I'll keep Wright!

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David Wright is a great young player and definitly a keeper.

I am not a ARod groupie.  I loved Scooter , Bucky Dent , Roy McMillan , Freddy Patek , Ozzie Smith . Notice anything in common with those guys they were all the accepted "small" shortstops. That day has passed. Cal Ripkin ,Derek Jeter , Nomar , Arod big men with long arms and legs and more range. The position has morphed.

I respect Honus Wagners name , reputation and stats. A true hall of famer and all time great . He played his last game in 1917.
He never played under the lights. He never played in stadiums with the dimensions of todays parks. Never faced relief pitchers who threw at 100mph
Never traveled cross country and played the same day.

Did play 1b 2b 3b ss of and pitched . Did compile the following stats,
.327 lifetime BA.   .391 OB%  .466 slugging  3,415 hits   1,732 RBI's 
10,430 AB's  101 homers  2,792 games in 21 years .

Arod 14 seasons (-7)    1,904 games (-886)     7,350 ab's (-3,080)             2,250 hits ( -1,165)   .578 slugging ( +112)     .389 OB% (-.002)              1,503 RBI ( -229 )  518 HRs (+417)

It will take Arod 5 and a half seasons to equal the 886 game differance, between him and Honus Wagner. If he stays injury free in that time he will have  over 3,000 hits , over 2,000 rbi's , over 700 homers .  By the time he completes the 7 season differance his stats will be the greatest of all time .

I'm sorry and no disrespect intended but I'm glad we have Arod in the Bronx and I think there is a huge arguable point who was and is the better short stop. 

That is whay baseball is all about. Mickey ? Willie ? Duke ? Joe D. ?

Just as a side line if Honus wagner were a free agent today or any of the above mentioned center fielders how much do you think they would command on the open market ?

Arod can make as much as they are willing to pay him. I don't blame him or condem him.  Once again I will repeat the best shortstop in baseball plays 3rd base for the Yankees.

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...Never traveled cross country and played the same day...


You think traveling cross country on an air conditioned jet takes more out of an athlete than traveling from, let's say Pittsburgh to NY, on a 1910 bus?  Holy cow!

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David Wright is a great young player ..


And as we discovered on another thread, a great wit. Or do I have the wrong Wright? Or do I have the right wright on the wrong thread? How may wrongs make a Wright? Somebody help me out here, please. 

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And don't forget the other little SS.......Bud Harrelson     My all-time favorite Met!!!!!

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Tony they usually traveled by train. They didn't have lights so after an afternoon day game they boarded a train with sleeper cars and traveled to the next city. Having dinner on a train and going to bed and waking up in St Louis is more rest full then jumping on a plane on the east coast and walking off 5 hours later at LAX. Time zone changes etc. That is debatable . What isn't is Honus Wagner (in this case) played his last game Sept 17, 1917. None of us or for that matter none of our fathers saw him play. His status in the baseball world is solely based on his stats. The statement Honus Wagner is still the greatest shortstop of all time has to be stat related. Stats don't lie. If that is the measuring stick then ARod by the time he is done will be the greatest of all time. if stats are not the measuring stick then Honus can not be included in our discussion. Honus appeared in two world series. He was a winner once and lost once. Scooter appeared in 9. Won 7 lost 2 . was the starting shortstop in the all star game in 1942 and 1952 was American league M.V.P. in 1950 beating out hall of famers Dimaggio , Berra , Ted Williams, Larry Doby , Bob Lemon , who all had very good years.    Again no disrespect to Honus Wagner but I'd take the scooter if we were choosing up sides.
Ok I got off topic a little there myself . Bottom line if stats are the measuring stick if Arod has 8 to 10 good years left , when he is done , he will be stats wise the greatest player ever.     

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1900 National league  Brooklyn , Pitt , Philly, Boston Braves, StL ,Chi Cubs, Cincy and N.Y. Giants.  Add in real travel days ( where teams were actually off) and i have to think the travel today is more gruling . Does it have much of an effect on performance or stats ? who knows ?


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janet I know you don't read the Daily News anymore because of yankee bias well your man Reyes is all over the back page today. seems he is the prize the Twins want for Santana. I know how you feel about Wright what about Reyes ? Willing to ship him out for a quality front line starter ?

Side bar to JCapella seems off the market and untouchable were two words that may have been used in referance to santana a month ago when you made your post. What do you think now ?  

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I would really hate to see Reyes go...........thoughn't like his attitude this year, especially the end of the season.  He seemed full of himself.  I'll have to check out the Daily News online.

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I originally posted this info yesterday, but it didn't take!!
 
Honus Wagner: The dominate shortstop of the first
two decades of the 20th Century. In 21 years he lead the
National League in:
 
Batting: 8 times
Slugging: 6 times
On Base Percentage: 4 times
Runs: twice
Hits: twice
Total Bases: 6 times
Extra Base Hits: 7 times
RBI's: 5 times
Doubles: 7 times
Triples: 3 times
Stolen Bases: 5 times
 
One of the five players chosen in the Baseball
Hall of Fame's first election, joining Babe Ruth, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson, and Ty Cobb.
 
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