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   If you'd like to email your opinion concerning freeing the terrorist that blew up Pan Am 103, here is an email address.

scottish.ministers@scotland.gsi.gov.uk
  You may want to address it to MacAskill, he is the Minister of Justice.


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Think about this:
This was a deal brokered by the U.S. Libya and the U.K. as a way for the US and the UK to gain access to Libyan oil. The guy will return home to a hero's welcome and we'll get a treaty to obtain Libyan oil.
If the US really wanted to see justice to its end it would have pressured the UK to keep this guy in jail till he died. I have no doubt that they would have complied or extradited him to the US if this was the case.

Yup "Change we can believe in." or is it more of the same?
 

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This was a deal brokered by the U.S. Libya and the U.K. as a way for the US and the UK to gain access to Libyan oil. ...
 


Terry, I have not found any mention of this in the legitimate press or Fox News.  Is this conjecture on your part or do you have a source?

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Conjecture? We'll see. 

edited: 1442 hrs.

Ant-knee you don't think the Brits would just let this guy go without consulting with the US do you? 180 Americans died on the flight. I'd bet a million dollar they got the "high-sign" from Washington's Oval Office.


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   Terry, disappointed that you tried to make this a political football and blame it on Obama. I thought that this was an issue we could all come together on. Unfortunately, I've been proven wrong.

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Unfortunately releasing terrorists is a European tradition.  I am no fan of the current administration, but I strongly doubt any approval tacit or otherwise


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I thought that this was an issue we could all come together on.

In what regard? 

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Denials are already coming out of Washington. I hope you're right, but only time will tell for sure.

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Sure he's a terrorist,  but the humanitarian reasons for his release are based on the fact that Mr. Megrahi can get better health care in Libya than Scotland.  Nationalized health care in the UK is rationed and cancer patients are counseled by a "health panel".  This means minimal treatment. (Hey, what do expect. It's  "free")  Obama Care is modeled after the UK system. That would be "free" too. Although Scottish doctors have only given Abdel Baset al-Megrahi a couple of months to live,  he can actually expect to live far longer in Libya. And he will actually get to be treated by a dentist too. British subjects may now have a country to go for medical treatment.  Mr. Megrahi was also grateful to Scottish officials because he will no longer  have to eat Scottish food.  Way to go, Scotland!


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Denials are already coming out of Washington.

    So are we to take a denial as proof that there was collusion?? Shrub had 8 yrs to press for his extradition, any idea on why he didn't??

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It just proves over a period of time anyone can be released from prison for the right   reason.


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This is, unfortunately, politics and the way of the world we live in.

 

Al-Megrahi was a Libyan agent who, along with an accomplice, was turned over to authorities by Kadahfi back in ’99. There were conditions for these two fugitives being turned over, some we know some I’m sure we’ll never know.

 

One condition was, the pair was to be turned over to, and tried in, a neutral country, Holland. Another was, if acquitted they would be returned to Libya as Fhimah, al-Megrahi’s accomplice was. With al-Megrahi suffering from cancer, who knows what thought Kadahfi was having about repatriating his AGENT who most probably was acting under Kadahfi’s orders.  

 

After that embarrassing greeting from Obama, Kadahfi may have misread the situation and a few weeks ago he made this nimrod’s release a pre-requisite for the UK to do business in Libya. Did we know about the pending release? Of course! Could we have done more to stop it? Absolutely! Should we have done more to stop it? Objectively and morally, yes! But in the real world of politics, alliances, and quid pro quo? Who knows?

 

It’s unfortunate for Obie that this happened on his watch and after he’s been so cozy with terrorists and our terrorist supporting enemies. I believe GWB would have done more to stop the release, and he would not have muddled the situation in the first place by appearing soft on those who wish us ill. But, as in many decisions, there are conditions and anticipated consequences we have no ideas of.


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Terry, disappointed that you tried to make this a political football and blame it on Obama. I thought that this was an issue we could all come together on. Unfortunately, I've been proven wrong.

 

I don't read anything Terry posted as blaming Obama.  But there is no doubt we knew about this and let it happen.

 

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So are we to take a denial as proof that there was collusion?? Shrub had 8 yrs to press for his extradition, any idea on why he didn't??

 

Seems to me you’re the one politicizing this?  Why would President Bush try to extradite a man serving a life sentence in a sovereign country that happens to be our closet ally? Let alone the conditions by which these thugs were originally turned over to western authorities seem to preclude that. 

 

However, once the UK decided to release al-Megrhi we could have forced them to hold him citing treaty obligations and an outstanding indictment in the US. We may have agreed not to retry him, but I believe the UK and US could have dragged out extradition proceedings long enough for him to kick it. And thereby given the UK cover not to release him.

 

But it's Bush's fault

 

 


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    I would like you to show where I said it was shrub's fault. I asked why he didn't have the man who killed 179 American citizens extradited for trial in this country. I have to admit you have a knack for avoiding a question and then tap dancing around the room hoping nobody notices that you didn't answer. Maybe you can get on "Dancing with Stars" with that paragon of the conservative movement Tom DeLay.

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Bill you asked any ideas why President Bush didn’t try to extradite this guy. I answered, “Why would President Bush try to extradite a man serving a life sentence in a sovereign country that happens to be our closet ally? Let alone the conditions by which these thugs were originally turned over to western authorities seem to preclude that.  Hardly avoiding your rather dumb, irrelevant question.

 

I have to say I find it ironic that the more opinionated, make 'that mis-opinionated' a lib is the more he has to attack someone. Palin, Cheny, Bush, me, John B, even accusing Terry of politicizing here when it's clear he didn't. And the more that type will fall for any stupid story spouted on Moron.org and such. Palin /witchcraft how idiotic.
 
And that all I‘ve got to say about this. Despite how you try to make it so, not everything is about you and me. Others must find these idiotic, misinformed, back and forths annoying. I know I do.

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