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were actually concessions won by the student government , presented to the administration and approved.

The inmates running the asylum.

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What outsiders might have perceived as a lack of discipline was actually an innovative , well structured modern and obviously misunderstood ( by outsiders) use of ideas that were well ahead of it's time.

As an outsider you certainly had me fooled.


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the Brothers taught contemporary religion

They were supposed to teach Catholicism. Wanna explain "contemporary religion"? Oh, nevermind. I know what you mean.

Parents want to send there children to parochioal school for discipline, academics and religious study. When the dress code standards fell, so did the preception of discipline. An' then the stories of drug use only made things worse.
Religious study became less and less important to the lost generation of Catholics.
Leaving academics, I can get that in the public school if my kid really wants to try. So, I should pay tuition why?






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Wow, well this couldn't be farther form the truth of what anyone form the Class of '65 experienced. When I was in grade school at St. Gerard's and the Diocese was finishing it's plans for a massive building program of schools, all the buzz was on this school in Astoria. I remember my parents being upset that after contributing all those years to the fund, they better get some benefit. (my guess now is they didn't contribute much). Compounding this was the fact that we were from St. Gregory and part of their allotment. We had lived temporarily in Hollis after returning from California.

The school drew the BEST from ALL over Queens(plus ME) for the first year . I think they dropped that for the second year (which explains why slackers like Kerins got in )

When the entrance exam was given, I put MC as first choice. I was accepted, if my memory serves, to Loughlin (ugh I thought) and or Molloy (memory has faded). MC, I was only a runner up! I had to wait for the miracle of someone stupid enough to to turn down MC from St. Gregory.

As i told Terry this weekend, being "bad" at MC meant that you were the "class clown" or missed Mass. The concept of violence beyond a rare fist fight, was non-existent and drugs in HS mean cigs.

Academically, some 96% of the Class of '65 went on to college ( or at least accepted) and over 90% has some form of scholarship assistance.

I know the rep of the school was in tact when I left.

Actually Terry, my  main religious teacher didn't teach the "old Time Religion" but then he was particularly in depth in his discussion every day...and we actually listed...
( I hear ya now "and look at you NOW!")
We will have to finish this over some more wine next time...


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Terry don't kill the messenger !  As Joe Friday would say " Just the facts mam Just the facts " 


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Barry , St Gregory The Great was not a MC feeder school . Bishop Riley was the DHS for that area. MC was  "zoned" for Astoria , Woodside , Sunnyside, Jackson Heights , Corona , LIC , parts of Greenpoint ,

Middle Village , Glendale , Rego Park , Forest Hills , Jamaica etc was Christ the King turf.

Flushing , Bayside , Fresh meadows, Hollis , etc was Bishop Riley territory.

When you took the Co-Op exam the choice was DHS you were automatically applying for the one you were "Zoned" for.   

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Thanks Tom & Terrance for your comments.
I don't want anyone to think that I was bad mouthing the school or the name of the school I was attending at the time of the change over. 
I just wanted to explain the facts of the situation as they were for the new Board of MC...whether true, false or misunderstood at time I was there in the late 70s early 80s and was able to answer to questions asked by those from the 60s or 70s who went to the very conservative MC in the 60s, a review for those in the 70s,etc, who may have thought, through comments on here, that the school was bought or that Brooklyn's St John's Prep moved into the building, or that Mater Christi was closed (except for retiring the name). It was an "innovative change of direction", offered at the time, to move the school's existance forward... My senior year, the same teachers were there, most of the same administrators, same students. etc. They even kept the motto of MC the same in the new SJP on the school seal, as opposed to the original SJP motto and school seal symbols.
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I was happy to have been  accepted into MC Class of '66.... What made my parents even happier was the tuition... MC- $145.00 a year.... Molloy and Mc Clancy- $325.00 a year....That was a big difference in Sept.'62....I never regretted going there,  and as Barry said -things were a lot different in our years as compared to the stories we heard about the school in its  later years...It seems that today a Catholic High School education is for the financially privileged.. I believe the tuition is around $7,000 a year these days...Nothing stays the same forever....KJF'66.

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The "Zoning" was flexible.  I knew male MC students who lived in Flushing & College Point. 

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Read about the pr issues facing MC in this Tablet article from Oct. 1970.

http://www.materchristi.com/links/tabletarticle.htm

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Sammy maybe at the very beginning when they were scrambling to fill the new schools the zoning was Flexable and maybe for the upper grades it did not apply at all. When I was applying as a 8th grader there was a quota by parish and every seat for the incoming freshman year was accounted for. The waiting list was monitored and Because of the tuition differance there were a lot more applicants then seats. The guys you knew that were out of zone , were they possibly upper class transfers or possibly students that went to grammar schools in parishes they did not live in ( or had moved out of )within the MC zone . I know for a fact the Bishop had a Priest in charge of over seeing the acceptances in all the DHS's to insure that the Parents who worked on the commitees ,solicited and paid off pledges to build these schools got a fair shake.   


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I would agree that there must have been some flexibility.... I had a very good friend, Bill Loskofsky'65, who lived in Cambria Heights....I also knew Jim O'Hara'65 who lived in Ozone Park... Both of these guys traveled about an hour and a half each way every day to go to MC...Yes, most of us  lived in Sunnyside, Woodside, Elmhurst, etc...However, there were a few "travelers" which would indicate some flexibility in the zoning requirements....KJF'66.

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I would agree that there must have been some flexibility.... I had a very good friend. Both of these guys traveled about an hour and a half each way every day to go to MC. However, there were a few "travelers" which would indicate some flexibility in the zoning requirements....KJF'66.


I remember someone once told me the zoning requirements were changed every year or so.

Graduating 8th Grade Students from Catholic grammer schools in the Greenpoint area there would go to Mater Christi one year if they chose DHS as their choice. Then the the following year graduates who chose DHS would be assigned to the school in Brooklyn.

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Russ , Kevin , sounds like someone knew what they were doing. Utilize all the DHS 's to make sure they were all filled. It wouldn't make sense to turn down a Greenpoint kid 'cause MC was filled and have an empty seat in Brooklyn. Same with Queens I guess if Riley or Ck were filled and MC still had open seats or vice versa move those kids wherever you could place them.    


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Sounds like someone knew what they were doing.


I'm sure of that.

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Utilize all the DHS 's to make sure they were all filled. It wouldn't make sense to turn down a Greenpoint kid 'cause MC was filled and have an empty seat in Brooklyn.  


I never thought of it that way.

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The school drew the BEST from ALL over Queens(plus ME) for the first year . I think they dropped that for the second year (which explains why slackers like Kerins got in )



I’m not sure I know what your talking about, but I think I do. I was accepted to MC on the first go around, but it was fairly notorious at the time that the nuns would try to talk kids, accepted to MC, into going to other schools that they had been accepted to. The nuns would really hammer the poor kids if they had won a scholarship to some other high school.  I was pretty much spared the nuns' pitch since my brother already was in MC and they knew I had an uncle in the la Salle Brothers. It seems that every 'sending school' had an allotment to the Diocesan high school, so as the smarter kids decided on other schools, the allotments were filled by those who had scored lower and lower. It  appears that the raison d'etre for the nuns in parish schools back then was to place every kid, regardless of qualification, in a Catholic high school. It seems to have worked at St Greg’s.
 
As far as the whole demise thing... in hindsight I think I had an idea of how things were going when in a relatively short time after graduating I saw, at least on the boys' side the that neither teachers or students had any dress code that I could make out, and the brothers too were all in 'street clothes' It was no big deal then, but seemingly a harbinger of how things were going.  And ironically some of the strictest authoritarians while I was there, became the most libertine latter.

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Barry , St Gregory The Great was not a MC feeder school .


Tom,
Remember this was the FIRST year and MC was considered to be the cherry pick school. They drew that year from all over Queens, thus the exceptional mix of grads. That, BTW, sliced both ways. You got into the school that was the most selective but then you were on the bottom of the top class....but all you saw were butts above you for 4 years...well except for the incoming freshman....but they were not included in your curve.

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