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   After viewing the speeches given last night by Obama and McCain, I had no doubt left in my mind as to whom I'm going to vote for. I was born i 1950 and well remember the civil rights struggle, not only in the deep South but also in the North, using Boston as an example. The assassinations of JFK, MLK,and RFK tore this country apart. Talk about a boot heel crushing the sweet bloom of hope. Then we got Nixon, an unmitigated disaster. Between his secret wars and Watergate, he disillusioned many people of our generation. Ford with his pardon of Nixon trampled the rule of righteousness. Carter with the fiasco in Iran with the hostages just added to the general perception that we were going downhill. Regan with his covert supplying of the Contras and ensuing lies seemed a continuation of  the downward spiral. Bush 1 couldn't even get reelected after vomiting on the Japanese Prime minister and his trip to the Butchers of Tianamin Sq. Clinton had trouble with the definition of "is" and lied about his involvement with an intern. Which leads us to the present occupant of the White House who I don't even care to name. A draft dodging punk who had daddy get him in a closed guard unit so he could protect the skies over Louisiana. Too bad he couldn't help them after Katrina. I personally feel he should be tried as a war criminal after he leaves office.I'm so sick of watching him hold hands and kiss the Saudi princes on the cheek. He ought to be kissing their asses.
       I think Obama is really the best chance this country has to bring a new vitality and openness to this country and bring it into the 21st century.


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You mentioned JFK & Nixon & left out LBJ. Why? No comments? Was he perfect?


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What would you like to say about LBJ that willbill forgot to mention?


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   LBJ was obviously an oversight on my part. He wasted a lot of lives in Viet Nam but he did push a lot of important Civil Rights legislation. If it wasn't for 'Nam I'd have considered his presidency a success. As it was, he died a broken man

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Bill, I hope you were just having a bad day when you posted your rather ‘Michelle Obamaesque’, ‘glass half empty’ history. This is the greatest, freest nation in the world, and in no small part has developed and remained so because of most of the men mentioned (and in spite of Carter).  During their tenures was also the actual advancements in civil rights, the growth of our and world economies, medical advances undreamed of in the 50s or 60s, space exploration and the attending explosion in technology, and the defeat of Communism and the freeing of hundreds of millions of people, only to name a few. 

 

As for Obama, with no record of accomplishments, nor evidence of any actual bipartisanship, only an unfailing adherence to the farthest left agenda, a history of long held associations with some very unsavory characters and a penchant for gaffs that would have doomed any conservative candidate to unmerciful media barrages of ridicule, should he become president we will all need more than hope.

 

As Thomas Sowell so well stated in a recent editorial,  There is nothing more real than a man’s character and values. The track record of what he has actually done is far more real than anything he says, however elegantly he says it.” 

 http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=297377316736736 


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   John, I started to respond in kind and then decided to let it go. The things you noted were all accomplished during those times. Many other things occurred that you seem willing to gloss over or ignore. That's the beauty of this country, we're all entitled to our opinions and the right to voice them. Wishing you well, Bill. (Not Michele)

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Bill,

 

By “Michelle Obamaesque” I just meant you observations where keyed to the negative as seems her view of the country. It wasn’t anything personal. 

I do think it ironic though that a campaign of ‘hope’ so constantly harps on the negatives.  Hope was, I think, more inspiringly expressed by Ronald Regan’s idea of morning in America, the shining city on the hill rather then by the ideas of America as a mean country of which one has never been proud, and significantly populated by ignorant lowbrows clinging to religion and grabbing guns out of some sort of irrational fear of their fellow Americans. I guess the rational is to make the country seem so unappealing that any ‘change’ would be an improvement. But that just isn’t the America I’ve experienced.


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OBAMA= (JIMMY CARTER) x (2)
It is third grade math and it is easy to understand.

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After reading some of Obama’s recent ‘refinements’ such as now supporting wire tapping laws; a willingness to keep 80,000 troops in Iraq INDEFINATELY (that may be even longer then the 100 years that he misquoted McCain as wanting to keep our troops there); realization that Iran is actually a threat to us; and that it’s folly to haphazardly meet with tyrants, I’m just wondering what does Obama ‘=’? 

 

Maybe the Iraqi Foreign Minister was right when after meeting with BO he said there is very little difference between Obama and Bush’s position. So maybe it’s, “Obama = Bush 3”? Or maybe it’s, “Obama = nothing but ‘words, just words’”? 

 

I HOPE Obama figures out what he can BELIEVE in and stops the constant CHANGE of positions.


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I think Obama is locked into some foreign policy decisions that were already made, like Iraq and Afghanistan. It's his judicial appointments I'm worried about. Like the ones made by Clinton that coddle criminals.


ACTION
Dear kindly Sergeant Krupke,
You gotta understand,
It's just our bringin' up-ke
That gets us out of hand.
Our mothers all are junkies,
Our fathers all are drunks.
Golly Moses, natcherly we're punks!

ACTION AND JETS
Gee, Officer Krupke, we're very upset;
We never had the love that ev'ry child oughta get.
We ain't no delinquents,
We're misunderstood.
Deep down inside us there is good!

ACTION
There is good!

ALL
There is good, there is good,
There is untapped good!
Like inside, the worst of us is good!

SNOWBOY: (Spoken) That's a touchin' good story.

ACTION: (Spoken) Lemme tell it to the world!

SNOWBOY: Just tell it to the judge.

ACTION
Dear kindly Judge, your Honor,
My parents treat me rough.
With all their marijuana,
They won't give me a puff.
They didn't wanna have me,
But somehow I was had.
Leapin' lizards! That's why I'm so bad!

DIESEL: (As Judge) Right!

Officer Krupke, you're really a square;
This boy don't need a judge, he needs an analyst's care!
It's just his neurosis that oughta be curbed.
He's psychologic'ly disturbed!

ACTION
I'm disturbed!

JETS
We're disturbed, we're disturbed,
We're the most disturbed,
Like we're psychologic'ly disturbed.

DIESEL: (Spoken, as Judge) In the opinion on this court, this child is depraved on account he ain't had a normal home.

ACTION: (Spoken) Hey, I'm depraved on account I'm deprived.

DIESEL: So take him to a headshrinker.

ACTION (Sings)
My father is a bastard,
My ma's an S.O.B.
My grandpa's always plastered,
My grandma pushes tea.
My sister wears a mustache,
My brother wears a dress.
Goodness gracious, that's why I'm a mess!

A-RAB: (As Psychiatrist) Yes!
Officer Krupke, you're really a slob.
This boy don't need a doctor, just a good honest job.
Society's played him a terrible trick,
And sociologic'ly he's sick!

ACTION
I am sick!

ALL
We are sick, we are sick,
We are sick, sick, sick,
Like we're sociologically sick!

A-RAB: In my opinion, this child don't need to have his head shrunk at all. Juvenile delinquency is purely a social disease!

ACTION: Hey, I got a social disease!

A-RAB: So take him to a social worker!

ACTION
Dear kindly social worker,
They say go earn a buck.
Like be a soda jerker,
Which means like be a schumck.
It's not I'm anti-social,
I'm only anti-work.
Gloryosky! That's why I'm a jerk!

BABY JOHN: (As Female Social Worker)
Eek!
Officer Krupke, you've done it again.
This boy don't need a job, he needs a year in the pen.
It ain't just a question of misunderstood;
Deep down inside him, he's no good!

ACTION
I'm no good!

ALL
We're no good, we're no good!
We're no earthly good,
Like the best of us is no damn good!

DIESEL (As Judge)
The trouble is he's crazy.

A-RAB (As Psychiatrist)
The trouble is he drinks.

BABY JOHN (As Female Social Worker)
The trouble is he's lazy.

DIESEL
The trouble is he stinks.

A-RAB
The trouble is he's growing.

BABY JOHN
The trouble is he's grown.

ALL
Krupke, we got troubles of our own!

Gee, Officer Krupke,
We're down on our knees,
'Cause no one wants a fellow with a social disease.
Gee, Officer Krupke,
What are we to do?
Gee, Officer Krupke,
Krup you!


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Just imagine what that would sound like if it was written today?
It would probably be unprintable and contain Carlin's 7 famous words!


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I bet'cha Barry is pulling his hair out as BO is beginning to move further to the right by insuring Israel that we will be their staunch ally. By November he might even change his position on not letting survivors of abortion receive medical care.
As an Illinois state senator, Barack Obama twice opposed legislation to define as "persons" babies who survive late-term abortions. Mr. Obama said in a speech on the Illinois Senate floor that he could not accept that babies wholly emerged from their mother's wombs are "persons," and thus deserving of equal protection under the Constitution's 14th Amendment.

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I know it was awhile ago in this thread but in my estimation the big man from Texas (LBJ) was forced by political pressure and foreign opinion to become a champion of civil rights. Our cold war foes continually pointed to our oppression and treatment of our blacks as a sign of our hypocrisy . We were condemning them for oppression of the masses and we had citizens who were not permitted into restaurants , state universities , did not receive fair treatment under the law and were discriminated against openly , proudly and with a vengeance in jobs , housing , voting and religious freedom.  I have read quite a few articles over the years that painted LBJ as a racist that was neither happy or enthused about his participation in the civil rights movement inherited after JFK's assassination. Our allies over seas and their opinions were as much responsible for our actions (In the civil rights movement) as was our President . ( My opinion !!! )


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Recently a friend who had served under Gordan Sullivan, then Division Commander of the 1st Infantry Division, told me MG Sullivan had admonished him with, "Hope in not a strategy!" He may have had the quote wrong since after retiring as Army Chief of Staff back in the 90's, GEN Sullivan wrote a book HOPE IS NOT A METHOD. Either phase indicates how 'hope' is view by men forced to deal with reality. It's interesting to compare that to how 'hope' is so touted, seemingly as a solution, by men who have never deal in other than retoric.


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