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I think it is indicative of the ‘thin’ resume to say not being someone else should be considered an accomplishment.  And while it may be what BO means to imply, I don’t think he ever actually voted against the war.  I‘m not too sure they held a vote on the invasion of Iraq in the Illinois Senate.
 
It seems Obama, even to the well informed = confusion (and vacillation too)


You are correct. My error in attributing Obama's anti-invasion position to his time in the US Senate.

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Trashing the "country that he loves" in a foreign country,  Obambi and the Party of Defeat continue to run a bizarre campaign.  Note the flag on O-One.



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Trashing the "country that he loves" in a foreign country,  Obambi and the Party of Defeat continue to run a bizarre campaign.  Note the flag on O-One.


The original Obama plane was a charter that looked like this:



Once Obama became the presumptive nominee, the plane was overhauled inside and out and the trademarked North American logos (which happened to include the stylized flags) were removed.

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Current Obama Plane:



http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/airplane.asp

And by the way, note there is no flag on McCain's plane:

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I received an e-mail about this a few days ago that said the BO campaign had just spend X dollars on refurbishing and repainting the plane and included that picture. My thought was it was a photo shop and that even an elitist like ‘Barry’ (there's that name again) wouldn’t replace the US flag with his personal ‘seal’. I thought not even an egotist who tried to usurp the presidential seal would go that far. But the site this picture came from looks legit and non-political.

 

If BO had been flying around in a plane without a prominent American Flag, his adventures in egotism probably wouldn’t have raised much ire, only ridicule. But as you can see the US flag was very prominent and was effectively removed. I sure that decision was not made without consideration.

 

I guess the plane was a big hit campaigning in Europe.

 

While there are more important thing to consider, hopefully those who actually get to vote will notice a trend – usurp the presidential seal – “We are the ones we‘ve been waiting for.” – “I have become a symbol…….”  

 

Left wing elitists like Obama seem to think the way to UNITE people is under a cult of personality. Very big in other socialist governments, Nationalist Socialist and Soviet Socialist come to mind. 
 
With any luck though, 'pride goeth.......'
 

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Are Democrats Now Pro-Life?
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Parenting/story?id=5547899&page=1



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  Democrats have always been pro-life, including concerns about the life of the mother. It takes more than a legislature or a court to define when life begins.

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"Yo, Vlad!  Hey man, put that gun down and let's talk this over.  Dude, that's so uncool.  As a former party organizer from ACORN I believe that we can address your grievances by forming a committee whereby both parties can work out their differences.  So, c'mon, man, let's work this out.  So Vlad, my man,  you have to put that gun away and chill.  Vlad?  Uh, did you hear me?  Vlad......?"  Click.



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   After viewing the speeches given last night by Obama and McCain, I had no doubt left in my mind as to whom I'm going to vote for. I was born i 1950 and well remember the civil rights struggle, not only in the deep South but also in the North, using Boston as an example. The assassinations of JFK, MLK,and RFK tore this country apart. Talk about a boot heel crushing the sweet bloom of hope. Then we got Nixon, an unmitigated disaster. Between his secret wars and Watergate, he disillusioned many people of our generation. Ford with his pardon of Nixon trampled the rule of righteousness. Carter with the fiasco in Iran with the hostages just added to the general perception that we were going downhill. Regan with his covert supplying of the Contras and ensuing lies seemed a continuation of  the downward spiral. Bush 1 couldn't even get reelected after vomiting on the Japanese Prime minister and his trip to the Butchers of Tianamin Sq. Clinton had trouble with the definition of "is" and lied about his involvement with an intern. Which leads us to the present occupant of the White House who I don't even care to name. A draft dodging punk who had daddy get him in a closed guard unit so he could protect the skies over Louisiana. Too bad he couldn't help them after Katrina. I personally feel he should be tried as a war criminal after he leaves office.I'm so sick of watching him hold hands and kiss the Saudi princes on the cheek. He ought to be kissing their asses.
       I think Obama is really the best chance this country has to bring a new vitality and openness to this country and bring it into the 21st century.



To avoid being off topic on the two other political threads, I'll pick up on this one.

I was not initially an Obama supporter. My concerns were very much along the lines of those expressed on other threads regarding his inexperience. I was also very much not a Clinton supporter -- having our country under the control of the Clinton and Bush families for potentially 28 years seemed ridiculous to me.

Oddly enough, we were initially contacted by a family friend to see if we would host Biden in Illinois but his campaign ended prior to that becoming a possibility.

Obama came into focus for us as my step-daughter become active in his campaign. My wife, a radical democrat if their ever was one, turned big time towards Obama as well and I was carried along in the slip stream.

At issue for me at this point is the nature of the past eight years of Bush and his ilk. I will vote as a democrat and there's no other option as far as I am concerned.

I agree with Bill, my feeling is that Obama is an inspirational leader. My expectation is that he will build a team of experienced individuals to create policy and deal with the serious issues facing our country and the world. My expectation also is that those he chooses will be 1000 times better than the neocons who took us into Iraq and the Bush cronies who have failed so miserably in so many ways (i.e., "Brownie").

I just saw McCain's latest commercial. It was good to see that he is acknowledging of the signficance of today's events as Obama makes his acceptance speech. Well done. I hope we all can maintain similar civility on the message board.

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 I think Obama is really the best chance this country has to bring a new vitality and openness to this country and bring it into the 21st century.

I listened to the speech from the convention the other night. I agree he is an energetic, charismatic and accomplished , articulate speaker. But I don't know what he said. Yes change is needed but how will you make the changes. I came away with the feeling he said it nice but he didn't say a lot. Was the message McCain don't get it but I do ?  I think there are an awful lot of us out here that still haven't made up our minds. McCain and Obama are the choices but is either one of them a winner. I hate to think our next President will be elected on the sentiment I couldn't vote for that other guy.

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