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Peter,
Great joke!
However you should have posted it
on the "A Little Levity Here, Too." thread

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"You know, it's always a bad practice to say 'always'  or 'never'."  Attributed to Obambi while visiting Amman, Jordan.  (Yogi, you've got competition.)


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Is McCain's Age Showing? Tongues Wag Over Flubs

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I really think we should all get off this age concern about
John McCain.  In 1797 when John Adams became
our 2nd President he was almost 62 years old; in a
time when the average life expectancy of a white male
was not even 50 years of age.  And I also believe we
should forget about Obama's youth.  Ideas, and skill are
all that should matter.  Age, sex, religion, race of a candidate are all excuses for not voting for him/her.  Political beliefs, character are reasons for not voting for him/her.
 
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Jim,

You are certainly entitled to your opinion.  But I feel just as much as I have the right and obligation to vote for the candidate of my choice I also have the freedom to decide what criteria I will use to make that decision.  If I feel a candidate's  mental acuity is not as sharp as I'd like I feel  perfectly  OK  not  voting for him for that reason.


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Mental acuity is a skill, it's lack is not limited to the aged.  If a candidate has this problem, I wouldn't vote
for him/her either, be they 35 or 85.  I'm just saying
that age should not be the issue alone.
 
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I was not there,  but Obambi was to have said the following in Berlin:

"The terrorists of Sept. 11 plotted in Hamburg and trained in Khandahar and Karachi before killing thousands from all over the globe on American soil."  You have to pay attention to how Obambi phrases things and his 180 degree spins.

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Here is a little CHANGE I can certainly BELIEVE in.
 
In a decision typical of elitists' idea of 'we support the troops', Obama CHANGED his scheduled from a visit with wounded servicepersonel recovering in Landstuhl Germany, to make time for a workout at the Ritz Carlton in Berlin. (Now there is a man of the people.) According to adviser Robert Gibbs  it "would be inappropriate to make a stop to visit troops at a U.S. military facility as part of a trip funded by the campaign."
 
(BO and his boys only even fain to support the troops on the tax payer's dime I guess)
 
I know it's highly unlikely that the MSM would ever take their darling to task over this but I so HOPE someone would. I'd love to hear Obama's, "I actually supported the troops before I didn't here" explanation.


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According to The New York Times, it was two weeks ago that the Pentagon gave Barack Obama the green light to land in Ramstein, Germany, this morning, where he was to visit wounded American soldiers at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center. For all intents and purposes, the Pentagon red-lighted the plan late on Wednesday, citing a Department of Defense regulation that prohibits a candidate for office from being accompanied by campaign staff when visiting a military base. Senate staff would have been OK, in Obama's case. But, as it turns out, campaign staff is all he had in tow.

Presumably, as part of the original approvals process, the Pentagon would have required that Obama tell them whom he planned to have accompany him to Landstuhl -- i.e., campaign staff.

If -- as Pentagon spokesperson Elizabeth Hibner told Talking Points Memo reporter Greg Sargent today -- it is "longstanding Department of Defense policy" that a candidate be prohibited from taking campaign staff along for the ride when visiting a military base...

Why did the Pentagon approve that part of the itinerary in the first place?

And why did the Pentagon wait until very late on Wednesday to disapprove it -- i.e., only after Obama had told the press, and thus the country, that he was going to visit the troops?

Was the Pentagon trying to embarrass Obama?

This all sounds very fishy.

A statement from Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell says, in part, that

it is not permitted to bring with [Obama] campaign staff. His team was notified of that, and they made a decision not to visit the hospital.


But exactly when was Obama's team "notified of that"? On this point, the Pentagon is conspicuously silent.

Surely, one assumes, the Pentagon would have to have notified Obama of its visitation policy well in advance of the original approval two weeks ago -- since only Senate staffers were allowed, and since, presumably, whichever Senate staffer(s) Obama wanted to bring with him to Landstuhl would have to have been part of the approval.

But according to a statement released last night by Obama adviser and retired Air Force Gen. Scott Gration, who is traveling with Obama this week:

We learned from the Pentagon last night that the visit would be viewed instead as a campaign event.


It's all in the timing. If the Pentagon didn't advise Obama of its policy until late Wednesday -- when it was too late for Obama to fly in Senate staff from Washington, much less to have that staff approved by the Department of Defense -- the Pentagon is playing games, knowing full well that no sitting U.S. Senator -- much less the presumptive Democratic nominee -- is going to make a visit like that "naked," i.e., without being accompanied by at least one of his or her own staff.

Who's supposed to take notes? Obama?

According to Politico reporter Carrie Budoff Brown, Obama adviser Robert Gibbs said no, when asked whether he believed the Pentagon had set up the campaign.

But when asked why he thought the Pentagon would clear the Landstuhl visit, only to raise question about it at the eleventh hour, Gibbs was far more circumspect, saying:

I don't know what to make of it.

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BOB SCHIEFFER: Well let me-just in line with what you said, the McCain campaign came out with a new ad because Senator Obama chose not to visit those troops in the hospital in Germany. Let's take a look at this.

NARRATOR: Barack Obama never held a single Senate hearing on Afghanistan. He hadn't been to Iraq in years. He voted against funding our troops. And now he made time to go to the gym but canceled a visit with wounded troops. Seems the Pentagon wouldn't allow him to bring cameras. John McCain is always there for our troops. McCain-country first.

JOHN MCCAIN: I'm John McCain and I approve this message.

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CHUCK HAGEL: Let me add to that. As you know, Bob, the congressional delegation that you referred to ended when we parted in Jordan. At that point, it was a political trip for Senator Obama. I think it would have been inappropriate for him and certainly he would have been criticized by the McCain people and the press and probably should have been if on a political trip in Europe paid for by political funds-not the taxpayers-to go, essentially, then and be accused of using our wounded men and women as props for his campaign. I think the judgment there-and I don't know the facts by the way. I know what you've just read. No one has asked me about it other than what you've just asked about. But I think it would be totally inappropriate for him on a campaign trip to go to a military hospital and use those soldiers as props. So I think he probably, based on what I know, he did the right thing. We saw troops everywhere we went on the congressional delegation. We went out of our way to see those troops. We wanted to see those troops. And that's part of our job to see those troops, by the way, and listen to those troops, Bob. And we did.

BOB SCHIEFFER: Do you think that ad was appropriate?

CHUCK HAGEL: I do not think it was appropriate.

BOB SCHIEFFER: You do not.

CHUCK HAGEL: I do not.


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Sun Jul 27, 1:41 AM Pacific

                       

Why didn't McCain want to see the troops in March?

                       

The curious thing about John McCain's dishonorable attack on Barack Obama is that McCain himself visited Europe in March, but didn't visit the wounded troops in Landstuhl, Germany.

It's true that McCain's trip to Europe bypassed Germany -- he only went to London and Paris. But as you can see in the map below, it turns out that London and Berlin are about the same distance from Landstuhl, and Paris is just a four hour drive away.

So if McCain wanted to visit the troops, it would have been trivial to arrange -- no seismic event needed. But it's clear McCain didn't want to visit them, and as a result, it should be fair to ask McCain why he now feels entitled to attack Barack Obama.

                                                                       

I'm not trying to say that John McCain didn't have other important things to do. For example, he hauled in much-needed cash at a campaign fundraiser hosted by a British Lord.

But it's pretty ridiculous for McCain to be making this absurd, hypocritical attack on Barack Obama. They've both visited wounded troops in the past. And as commanders-in-chief, they would both work for the best interests of the nation, even if they would take it in different directions.

McCain is desperate now, in full-fledged panic mode. If this is how he'd handle a crisis as president, it's all the more important that Barack Obama win this election.

Update: There is an important difference between McCain's Europe trip and Barack Obama's -- McCain's was official business, and therefore taxpayer-funded. Obama's was political, and therefore campaign-funded. During the portion of Obama's trip that was official -- the portion in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kuwait -- Barack Obama did visit wounded troops, and he did so with no fanfare.


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Tony,

The point as I see it is, Obama was scheduled to visit wounded troops, he canceled and instead worked out. That alone is kind of ironic and insensitive if not insulting. Now if there was problem with his campaign handlers coming along, they could have stayed in Berlin. It appears unfortunately, that BO wouldn't want to visit recovering soldiers UNLESS HE COULD MINE SOME CAMPAIGN GOLD and that is what the military rightfully want to avoid. My guess is he'd have gone if only his campaign photographer was allowed along.

It's obvious that Obama has never visited with any troops in Iraq or Afghanistan before this month, he's never been there before as far as I know. And it appears outside of a 'quiet visit' to WRAMC he made the end of last month (not so quiet that he wasn't accompanied by reporters) the only other visit to Walter Reed was in 05. And that visit appeared more an opportunity to capitalize on the scandal of the conditions there then a chance to offer any comfort or appreciation to the troops. (Mining political gold I guess is as enticing as mining campaign gold?)

Perhaps his few visits to WRAMC can be chalked up to the fact he has spent so little time in DC. Less than seven months of his life altogether.

On the other hand, McCain has visited wounded troops on many occasions in many areas of the world. While in DC, he sometimes goes to WRAMC on weekends, unannounced and unaccompanied by any press. He makes similar truly 'quiet', unannounced visits to Bliss Army Hospital in AZ.

So Tony, your postings above trying to justify Obama actions by stretching to compare McCain's actions certainly don't in any way. Even if their actions were comparable it would only indite both, not justify Obama.

Really there is no comparison in the area of these men's relationships with the troops. Maybe had BO just gone and made a personal, unannounced, unaccompanied visit, you know like McCain does, this would not be the issue it is? Or it may even have been favorable for Obama when it came out, as it certainly would have once the soldiers started telling people back home?

My guess is Obama & Co. screwed up, and it's best for BO to just drop it.





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Eh well, I tell ya I was surely embarrassed when Obama was over in France and Gremany and wasn't speaking either French or German. Yup, what an embarrassment he is.
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Wasn't it Will Rogers who once said something to the effect that the children in France are all geniuses. Even the five year-olds know how to speak French fluently.

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   McCain today endorsed a bill in his home state of Arizona that would eliminate affirmative action preferences. This is the same bill that he has refused to endorse in Arizona over the last few years. Hmmmm, wonder why the flip-flop??

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