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Frankie:

 

  I agree with you.  When I heard Kerry tell his "joke"  I assumed that he was referring to Bush, and I was surprised by the ensuing attack.

 

  However, I cannot stand John Kerry, and must admit that I am enjoying what I see.  When a holier-than-thou smarmy flip-flopping self-aggrandizing Ivy League policy wonk politician has to squirm publicly, I take sinful delight in observing it.

 

- Bill '66

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Frank, Frank, they are all the same when it come to swinging votes.
Here, here's a guy we can all vote for.


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Excuse me.  In my description of John Kerry, I inadvertantly left out the adjective "gold-digging".

 

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Billy,

I don't disagree or agree with you fully about Kerry.

But, and like The Speaker's, it's a big butt, you're being distracted by the bologna because it fits your preconception.  The issues are the war, the economy, liberties, healthcare etc.

Kerry isn't running for anything.

The National debate needs to be open and clear.

Let the people hear and vote on the issues and let the chips fall where they may.

If, like Anne Coulter, I could vote anywhere, I'd vote out the incumbent in 90% of the races just to send a message. 

Here in NJ, we've got two candidates whose ads make pro-wrestling interviews look sanitized.

Through 'em all out.

 

Bless you my sons,

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What I find interesting is that when you get down to the basic things that we all want in politics, we all want Mr. Smith. What is perhaps even humorous, is that we all see our own guy as the closest to Mr. Smith and the opposition is like anti-Smith types in the movie. The public sees through the garbage and rally in his support.
The movie is like a dream of reality which is (in my opinion) polar opposites.
Mr. Smith today would be destroyed by diversions, like that committed upon Kerry or if you want, you can go back to the infamous daisy commercial in 1984 against Goldwater.
I Tivo out commercials so I don't see what most of you see. Intelligent and thoughtful ads that educate are the extreme rarity. I see some of them on the Daily Show parodied. MONEY is destroying our democracy. We need to limit the influence that big money has, perhaps by funding candidacies and leveling the playing field.
No one gets in office without the people electing them. Years ago I made the statement that we were lucky we got the level of leaders we did considering the process. Well, the quality is catching up and we are getting the leaders that more closely reflect the ignorance and immaturity of the electorate.



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Politics is the closest thing we seem to have to a blood sport.  The tactics today are bad but we may over-romanticize our noble forefathers and their political mis-deeds.  In reading Paul C. Nagel's book "John Qunicy Adams - a public life, a private life" he reports that JQA told Calhoun's allies that "my complaint was not that attempts were made to tear my reputation to pieces but they were accompanied by professions of great respect".  JQA noted that there were fifteen newspapers around the nation whose task was to "run down my reputation and to defame and disgrace me and that no falsehood was too broad and no insinuation too base for them".  It seemed to JQA that "every liar and calumniator was at work day and night to destroy my character".  Nagel also noted that Adams did not write one word in his diaries about the brutal assaults his managers made upon his opponents.  Even in the 1820's, it took a certain type of individual run for public office.  Most of us would not want to put ourselves or our families through this kind of ordeal.

 

You enter politics at your own risk. I agree that the people who do may not be the best people for public service but they are the ones that want it the most.  I do not think this has changed throughout most of our history, however.  Unfortunately, Mr. Smith is a romantic fiction not reality. 

 

I look forward to the time that political advisers begin to realize that the negative "soundbite mentality" they seem to be appealing to is insulting to the voting public and an appeal on issues is more effective.  Until they do, we have to suffer through the billions of dollars spent on attack adds.

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You can revile George Bush all you want and you can express surprise that Kerry's poor joke is being misinterpreted, but why are we talking about that instead of the fact that 3000 Americans have lost their lives in Iraq and Malaki can tell them who and where to fight or not fight. 

 

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Frank,

 

I agree that jfk probably didn’t intentionally mean to slander the troops. But, why not just say, “Hey, I misspoke. I certainly didn’t mean for it come out that way and I’m sorry that it did.” 

 

Instead, Kerry who has an undeniable history of attacking our service men and women, and who may very well have had a Freudian slip this time, first says, “I apologize to no one.” Then he goes on to attack anyone who criticized him as right-wing nuts who are twisting his words. They weren’t. Indeed many Democrats said he should apologize - as someone said, “the fleas were deserting the rat.” 

 

He may have not said what he intended to, but no one was twisting anything. Even in his “apology,” he regretted that his words were “misinterpreted.” They weren’t. Nor were the numerous remarks that jfk has made over the last four decades about our troops being war criminals and terrorizing the local population. He may not have meant to say what he said, but I’m pretty sure he believes it.

 

Actually, I don’t see anything funny in any American maliciously ‘joking’ about our troops or our country being engaged in this war at all, but especially when he is one of those who authorized the conflict. Only someone as out of touch and as arrogant as kerry could think he could belittle the intelligence of a person who one had a better GPA at their alma mater and who beat him in a national election.

 

Lastly, there was a good piece in the NY Post yesterday by an army major saying kerry’s comments mirrored stories spread about US troops by the insurgents in Iraq. As the major concluded, our enemies should be the butt of our jokes. But it looks like jfk has managed to become the butthead butt of his own joke.


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Actually, I don’t see anything funny in any American maliciously ‘joking’ about our troops or our country being engaged in this war at all, but especially when he is one of those who authorized the conflict.


We are old enough to have been cognescent of what bfrought us to Iraq. The fact is that while Kerry and other voted for the authorisation resolution, the resolution was offerred based on LIES. Cherry picked intelligence to make up a non-existant threat and MOST importantly CONSTANT promises from GWB that war was the LAST thing he would do and only if all else failed. Instead, he took his resolution and immediately rushed to war.
Kerry and others took GWB at his word only to find out that they were lies.
Kerry went to VN, served with honor and decoration. He came back and protested that our soldiers were being slaughtered for nothing , which history has surely proven. Standing up for troops doesn't necessarily mean you put them in harms way. Allowing torture or atrocities is not being a good soldier or a good American. Blowing the whistle on these activities  does service to those who serve honorably.

On the otherhand, forced overstays in Iraq have hurt families and careers of servicemen. Ill equiped vehicles have caused many deaths and injuries....lastly, lying to get us into a war, lying about the progress of this war and lying about terrorism and this war, are teh ROOT of the problem. Fix that and Kerry's botched joke and response are seen as certainly minor.


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You can revile George Bush all you want and you can express surprise that Kerry's poor joke is being misinterpreted, but why are we talking about that instead of the fact that 3000 Americans have lost their lives in Iraq and Malaki can tell them who and where to fight or not fight.


KK,
Totally agree....is seems that non-issues move people more than issues:
1) Flag burning amendment
2) Gay marriage amendment
3) Foley sex scandle
4) John Kerry joke
5) Mistresses and beatings
6) Makaka
7) Add in today (evangelical anti-gay marriage closet queen caught ....wet handed)

1) Social Security
2) Iraq War
3) Deficit
4) Tax cuts , Offshoring of taxible assets
5) Election reform/lobbiests/legal bribery
6) Constitutional Rights
7) Stem Cell research
8) Global warming
9) Energy independance and alternative solutions
10) Health Care

The first list affects almost no one....the second affects everyone....from my point of view the Republicans are responsible for the most attacks and seem concerned about NOTHING except staying in power. The Democrats have few charismatic and well spoken leaders and thier ads are only marginally better than the truely disgusting Republican ads.

The problem is NOT the politicians. The problem is the people who elect them and respond to this crap. Ours is NOT a vibrant democracy. We neither own our government nor our cultrure...corporations do. The only way this can happen is when the people let them and balance goes away.

While I desperately hope th Democrats take control of both houses and start a clean up, I also worry that if they fail we have no better alternative.


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John, Kevin , Laguna,

 

You'll just have to take my word for it.

I just wrote a long and brilliant response to all three of you and when I hit "Preview Post" button, it disappeared.

 

I am far too tired to reconstruct it.

 

So just this once, can I get credit for time served?

 

Thanks.

 

Off to see Borat for psychological revival.

(Hey Terry, my wife's away, do you think Lauren would like to see Borat).

 

El Santo

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I am sure it was a stiring accolade of what I had already written......

Jeez, I know how frustrating it can be so I always try to remember to do a copy first.....


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The Democratic gubernatorial candidate faced a potential setback for a second day Friday, denying a newspaper report that said he called a male reporter "a Republican whore."
  - Minnesota governors race....

So, this makes Yahoo news...what incentive is there a political leader of either party to sponsor programs or legislation to improve government when this is the level of discourse that gets media attention????


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I'll just be happy after tomorrow when the results come in and the bullsh-- stops.  Of course, my brother the printer will be losing his overtime again for a while!

Face it, both sides are guilty of something, somewhere.  Here in NY, the Comptroller's race has taken a turn.  Seems Hevesi was using a state employee as personal chauffer for his wife, then when caught offered a pittance for reimbursement.  The rest of the Democrats here, who are likely to make a complete sweep of everything else, have been back peddling from Hevesi like a safety covering a wide receiver!   Oops!


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As I'm in a safe district, there's not much I can do about it


Does anyone else wonder why in a year when the populace is overwhelingly anti_Republican, the Democrats might take a slim Congressional majority?

When does gerymandering reach the level of downright fraud?

Also re: Islam....
Iraqis have the right to remain in thier medival Islamic backwardness. Maybe in 4-5 centuries they will have cast this off on thier own and be caught up with where EU is with Christianity....(which will have had similar reduction in influence over the same 4-5 hundred years) But it is not for us to INVADE, kill and occupy to try to fix them. (I put a stronger emphasis on this, Granny, than you I think you intended....trying to make a broader point)


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