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Joe Biden loses Barack Obama the Catholic vote
Posted By: Gerald Warner at Sep 19, 2008 at 07:34:17 [General]
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More, as promised, on Senator Joe Biden (why should Sarah Palin get all the coverage?). Remember, you read it here first: on September 11 this blog reported a mounting backlash from Catholic bishops against Biden, Barack Obama's "Catholic" pro-abortion running mate. At that time I estimated eight bishops had come out to denounce Biden; the total is now 55. Beyond that, Biden is being trashed across every state of the Union by Catholic newspapers, TV and radio stations, and blogs. It is a tsunami of rejection.



Joe Biden has really put his foot in it with the Catholics

The story has now hit the secular media. Last Saturday Time magazine asked: "Does Biden Have a Catholic Problem?" By Wednesday the issue had moved onto the front page of the New York Times. Joe the Jinx has blown it, big time. Biden has only himself to blame: he started this war, with his notoriously undisciplined mouth. He knew the dangers. Last August, Archbishop Raymond Burke, former Archbishop of St Louis and now Prefect of the Apostolic Segnatura in Rome, said communion should be denied to pro-abortion politicians "until they have reformed their lives".

Archbishop Chaput of Denver had already announced Biden should not receive communion because of his pro-abortion views. Defiantly, Biden took communion in his home parish in Delaware in late August. On September 2 the Bishop of Scranton, Pennsylvania (a crucial swing state) banned him from communion in his diocese. That is effective excommunication. Then came the crucial provocation. On NBC's Meet the Press programme on September 7 Biden grossly misrepresented the Catholic Church's teaching on abortion and audaciously cited St Thomas Aquinas in his own cause.

That did it. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had already done the same thing on the same programme, in her instance citing St Augustine. Even the torpid US bishops could not have false doctrine glibly broadcast by public figures, misleading their flock. So the counterattack described here last week began, culminating in a statement from the US Bishops' Conference. The bishops of Kansas City have also issued a pastoral letter on the subject. It is open season on Biden.

There are 47 million Catholic voters in the United States. One quarter of all registered voters are Catholics. At every presidential election in the past 30 years the Catholic vote has gone to the winning candidate, except for Al Gore in 2000. This year 41 per cent of Catholics are independents - up from 30 per cent in 2004. Psephologists claim practising Catholics were the decisive factor in the crucial swing states in 2004: in Ohio 65 per cent of Catholics voted for Bush, in Florida 66 per cent. They were drifting away in disillusionment from the Republicans and split 50-50, until Joe Biden worked his magic. This is electoral suicide by the Democrats.

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Originally Posted by TerrencePTuffyLSA69
Joe Biden loses Barack Obama the Catholic vote
Posted By: Gerald Warner at Sep 19, 2008 at 07:34:17 [General]
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Terry

I respect your views and with reference to abortion I am pro life and have no argument with you ..... however, I really do not think that a significant majority of Catholics.... if they are pre-disposed to vote Democratic will change their vote because of what the bisho(s) say.

Obviously someone who vote have changed their vote probably would not have voted for thm anyway.

Also.... and again I am no scholar of theology ..... I thought that the criteria needed to receive Holy Communion was to be a Catholic and in your mind be free of sin.... and that you can go to confession to cleanse your soul.

I don't seem to remember anything in any of the 12 years I went to Catholic schools ever learning anythin about political views impacting your ability to participate in the Sacraments.... that is unless you had an abortion... then you would have to go through the Sacrament of Penance to have your soul absolved of the sin.

And again..... I think if someone is pre-disposed to vote for Obama and Biden and they are Catholic... they will vote no matter what the bishop(s) might have to say.... 

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anythin about political views impacting your ability to participate in the Sacraments...


It's your moral view that impacts your ability to receive the sacraments. Certainly abortion is a moral question, not political. If your intent is to vote for a particular candidate to further abortion rights I think you have a problem just like Biden and Pelosi do.

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I think if someone is pre-disposed to vote for Obama and Biden and they are Catholic... they will vote no matter what the bishop(s) might have to say....


I would like to think that practicing Catholics, Catholics who take their faith seriously, will always considered prayerfully what the Bishops say and what Scripture says and vote consciously in that light.

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In speaking with faithful Catholics all over the world for the past twenty years there is a consensus among them that the average Catholic doesn’t know much about their faith. Likewise there is an overwhelming consensus that if we did, the world would be a very different place. In the United States of America we have over sixty million Catholics. If these Catholic citizens knew their faith and then voted and lived their faith, this country would be incalculably better off. In turn, so would the entire world.

In the past few months leading up to what may prove to be the most crucial presidential election in this country’s history, it is outright frightening how many Catholics think they can vote for a pro-abortion candidate. As many of our good bishops have pointed out, under the current circumstances this is not possible. Abortion is the overridingly most important moral issue of our times, all others being important, but rendered irrelevant if the preeminent right—the right to life—is destroyed.

As Bishop Robert Vasa of Baker, Oregon recently pointed out, clarifying the teaching of the United States Catholic Conference of Bishops in their excellent pastoral letter “Faithful Citizenship,” a candidate or office holder is disqualified from receiving the vote of a Catholic in good conscience if they hold a pro-abortion position. In other words pro- choice candidates under the current set of circumstances are disqualified because of their pro-death political positions. We cannot vote for them. As the Bishops of Kansas recently asserted in their excellent voter’s guide, “Catholics would ‘commit moral evil’ by voting for a candidate who supports abortion and other intrinsically evil things. Voting is a moral act, and voting for pro-choice candidates is evil in itself. One becomes a collaborator in evil by so doing. No amount of rationalization can escape this logical and moral conclusion.

There was some confusion over this based on a statement made some time ago by Pope Benedict, who was speaking in general terms, saying that for a “proportionate reason” it would be possible to vote for such candidates. However, in the concrete situation we face, with a candidate who is pro-life, this would not be possible. No amount of “other reasons” would excuse voting for a pro-choice candidate. The Church clearly teaches that life begins at conception. As Pope John Paul II stated many times, “abortion is murder.” Following logically from this, if a single abortion is murder, then 48,000,000 (the approximate number of abortions in this country since Roe v. Wade) of them is genocide. What would be the “proportionate reason” supporting such an outrage? There is none.

Lack of understanding of what the Catholic Church teaches is grossly harmful to the individual Catholic and to society in general. It is for this reason that I have always tried to promote and teach the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It is a sure norm for teaching the faith, as Pope John Paul II asserted in promulgating the Catechism. “Guarding the Deposit of Faith is the mission which the Lord entrusted to His Church,” are the first words of the Apostolic Constitution “Fidei Depositum.” These are the words the Holy Father used to introduce us to the Catechism.

For this reason we are making my series “The Teaching of Jesus Christ” more and more available through television, radio, and the lowest prices ever offered for DVD and CD versions. Ignorance of the Faith can prove fatal—for individuals and for nations. Learning our faith is the best investment we can make. The Catechism of the Catholic Church is the very best way to do this.

May God bless you, each one, and may God bless America in this time of national crisis,



Father John Corapi

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Bill here is a better answer than mine on that Williamson affair:

The Pope lifted the excommunication of Bishop Richard Williamson without knowledge that the schismatic bishop denies the Shuah. If there was a mistake, it was with Vatican staff which did not advise the Holy Father about Williamson's take on the holocaust. The Pope was intent on responding to a conciliatory gesture by Bishop Fellay of the Society of Pius X, wanting to bring them back to the Catholic Church. Announcement of Williamson's interview in Germany with Sweden television was announced on the same day as the Pope's announced lifting of the excommunication. Some German journalists contend that the broadcast of Williamson's interview was carefully timed to coincide with the Pope's announcement.
The Pope did not absolve the schismatic bishops from sin, only from excommunication. He did not receive them back into the Church, and they are still schismatics.
By the way, the Pope's outreach to the SSPX is an example, I think, of his pastoral concern.

I trust you have read the letter of the Holy Father to the schismatic Society of Pius X; it might be helpful in understanding the Williamson affair. The public media was not helpful.

Peace and God's blessing.


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Contrary to the Time report I found this:

McCarrick said a reply from the Vatican came two weeks later. He read excerpts aloud.

The Holy Father has read the letter which you entrusted to President Obama, who kindly presented it to him during their recent meeting. He was saddened to know of your illness, and asked me to assure you of his concern and his spirtual closeness. He is particularly grateful for your promise of prayers for him and for the needs of our universal church.

His Holiness prays that in the days ahead you may be sustained in faith and hope, and granted the precious grace of joyful surrender to the will of God, our merciful father. He invokes upon you the consolation and peace promised by the risen savior to all who share in his sufferings and trust in his promise of eternal life.

Commending you and the members of your family to the loving intervention of the blessed Virgin Mary, the Holy Father cordially imparts his Apostolic blessing as a pledge of wisdom, comfort and strength in the Lord.


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