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Bob,
I found your post a bit convoluted but none the less, here's the stats.
(I'm just glad we're on the top of the food chain, I think.)

Abortion Statistics - Decisions to Have an Abortion (U.S.)

*         25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing.
*         21.3% of women cannot afford a baby.
*         14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child.
*         12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy.)
*         10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career.
*         7.9% of women want no (more) children.
*         3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health.
*         2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health.


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Margaret, my point was for SEVERE cases. My son has cerebral palsey. Fortunately, it is a mild form and he is a fully functional adult. I worked in a Veteran's Hospital that specialized in spinal cord injuries. They had an extensive rehabilitation program. My job with Corrections allows me to see men who are barely functional. They are the result of drug addicted parents, who gave them little care and nurturing. Yet they are functioning and living the hand life dealt them as best they can. However, my sister was born with spina bifida and survived only four days. Yes, back then there was little that could be done, while today there are many treatments. Yet as an example of a severe case, hers is a case in which I would question the reasoning for letting her go full term, only to die so soon after birth. Was it fair and justifiable to allow her the suffering for only four days? Was it fair to her mother (in this case, mine) to carry her, become attached and loving of her, only to lose her? This is the severe case in which I would have to allow the possibility of a termination. Similar to turning off the life support machine for a terminally ill patient. Not something done lightly, but rather in the best interest of the patient.
Terry, I'm sorry if you were confused. However, the stats you listed weigh out some incidents where an abortion is not an abominable decision. As Kerins said, it would be nice if all cases were as simple as being a question of the life or death of the mother. But unfortunately, life is a four letter word ( as are so many curses) and doesn't allow things to be so uncomplicated. The majority of the stats you listed point to abortion being used as a method of birth control, of which I do not agree with. These are the wrong reasons for it and are totally wrong to do. Though I forget who made the comment about zero being the proper number of abortions, sometimes they may actually be the right thing to do, for the reasons I've tried to point out.

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In 2001 there were 1.31 million abortions in the U.S.. Take off roughly 6% (and that's a lot) for deadly medical reasons. That would have saved 1,231,400 lives.
Strange? The "left" have been unusually quite on this thread.

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The "left" has been unusally quiet....
Be careful what you wish for. we offer the following:

June 01, 2005
"Pro-life" or pro-control?
Posted by Amanda Marcotte at 08:21 PM
Anti-choicers claim that they aren't against choice because they want to control women's reproductive choices--oh no, that's just an unfortunate side effect of the saving babies business. Which I suppose is why prominent fundie Christian Tom DeLay is out there fighting so that Saipan garment workers can have abortions forced on them against their will.

Officials on Tuesday also confirmed what an ABCNEWS 20/20 investigation had found–that pregnant garment workers on Saipan are forced to have abortions to keep their jobs....
Saipan has spent millions on Washington lobbyists and given top Republicans in Congress free trips to the beautiful Pacific island, including one over Christmas for House Majority Whip Tom DeLay.

“You represent everything that is good about what we’re trying to do in America,” he told outgoing Governor Froilan Tenorio, a distant cousin of the current governor, at a dinner in Saipan this past New Year’s eve.

DeLay and other Republicans have vowed to fight to keep the laws the way they are on Saipan.


I'm sure that there's a "pro-life" reason that women's right not to abort must be curtailed just as women's right to abort must be


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Who is Amanda Marcotte?

 

Where was this posted?

 

Who is forcing pregnant garment workers to have abortions?

 

How do we know any of it is true?

 

Even if it is true, what has that go to do the MORAL question of abortion? (It's wrong by the way.)

 

It's not clear whether it's your or Marcotte's comment, but what is meant by,

"I'm sure that there's a "pro-life" reason that women's right not to abort must be curtailed just as women's right to abort must be?"

 

Must everyone of your posts involve cut and paste?


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John - Kerins that is - does Shannon's cuttings and pastings annoy you? I find his postings a lot easier to read and enjoy than your (and others) regurgitation of the Karl Rove/Tom DeLay/Dick Chaney/W Kool Aid mantra.

 

Having said that, Shannon, you have a right to cut and paste or drag and drop and, if you like, even to flip and flop and don't let any of these bullies from the "right" make you stop!


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It’s not that the constant cutting and pasting bothers me, it's just that I wonder if those who resort to it are capable of an original thought.

 

As far as your constant referring to “Rove’s Kool Aid,” I’ll say again I’ve never been a Republican though I was for years a democrat.  I state what I believe to be true, most of it obviously true to me. For example, I’ll ask you as I’ve asked others here, is the claim that New Orleans and Louisiana officials share in the blame for the problems after Katrina unfounded “Kool Aid” as it has been referred to here?

 

Funny how neither myself nor Terrence nor Jim Flaherty seems to rely so completely on cut and pasting as some on the left, yet others on the left dismiss what we say as ‘regurgitation’ of Kool Aid. Liberals seem to see flaws in everyone else that are objectively most manifest by themselves, i.e. Kerry’s claim that Bush had assailed his military service after he in fact demeaned Bush’s. 


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John, I'm not sure what the abortion issue has to do with Hurricane Katrina or the Bush or Kerry military histories.

 

But to answer your question about who failed in responding adequately to the tragedy in New Orleans, please go to http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4859329 and listen to some of the phone cconference calls among the local leaders of the parishes in and around New Orleans describing the anticipated help from FEMA and then the disappointment that it never showed up until after the disaster.

 

I don't absolve the local leaders but it sure appears to me that the major culprit was the feds.


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John, I'm not sure what the abortion issue has to do with Hurricane Katrina or the Bush or Kerry military histories.”

 

The obvious connection is that whenever anyone states a fact in opposition to your positions on these, or seemingly any political topic, you, or Shannon, or lapoce claim, no matter what statements are made, that those statements are merely regurgitation of Rove’s Kool Aid. The most ludicrous example of which, was lapoce’s claim that Rove, “was working to shift the blame away from the White House and toward officials of New Orleans and Louisiana who, as it happens, are Democrats." The clear implication being that lapoce thought the Louisiana officials were blameless and if anyone said they shared in the blame that was Kool Aid. The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were Kool Aid and you again refer to Kool Aid on this thread.

 

Since this thread is about abortion I won’t bother going over how inconclusive those taped phone conversations between state and local official are. Besides whenever respond with facts I’m told “This ain't the freshman debate team” or “Look, this isn't the freakin' debate team. “ (Makes me wonder if anyone has ever seen Not SME and lapoce in the same room together?)

 

Let’s return this thread to abortion, the single greatest issue in our country today.

 

 


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Who's responsible for the failures in New Orleans? EVERYONE INVOLVED!! Get it? From the delayed orders on whether or not to evacuate, to the folks (poor and otherwise) who chose not to go. The plan of using schoolbuses, that had no drivers or gas, by the Mayor and the delay of the Governor to ask for federal assistance. Yes, each and every one is partly responsible. I once mentioned a bit about states rights, anyone remember it. One of the issues is that the feds can't just come in, unless the Governor is receptive of the aid. Otherwise, they'd have to Federalize the area which would lead to martial law and military governing. Something not seen there since the Civil War. The feds, on the other hand, responded slowly after the requests were made, for which there's no excuse. They had plenty of time to gather and distribute the various types of assistance needed. Thus, it's not any single persons fault, but a collective group of bureaucratic blundering.
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Kerins says: "The most ludicrous example of which, was lapoce’s claim that Rove, “was working to shift the blame away from the White House and toward officials of New Orleans and Louisiana who, as it happens, are Democrats."

 

It's just the f*cking truth--and it conflicts with your world view, so no wonder it pisses you off.

 

And we cut and paste perhaps to show that we're not just making sh*t up and blowing it out our ass--like you do!

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Who's responsible for the failures in New Orleans? EVERYONE INVOLVED!!

Thus, it's not any single persons fault, but a collective group of bureaucratic blundering.

 

I hope the current hearings in Washington D.C. come to that conclusion as well.


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Kerins says: "The most ludicrous example of which, was lapoce’s claim that Rove, “was working to shift the blame away from the White House and toward officials of New Orleans and Louisiana who, as it happens, are Democrats."

 

It's just the f*cking truth--and it conflicts with your world view, so no wonder it pisses you off.

 

And we cut and paste perhaps to show that we're not just making sh*t up and blowing it out our ass--like you do!

How stupid of me to think that since the Democrats controlled the New Orleans’ city government and the Louisiana state government, and since they held the Louisiana governorships, and the US Senate Seats, ALL almost exclusively for over the last 100 years, as well as providing the overwhelming number of US Representatives over the last century, that they might have a share of the blame for the conditions in New Orleans.

 

That is, as you so elegantly put it, “just the f*cking truth

 

And we cut and paste perhaps to show that we're not just making sh*t up and blowing it out our ass--like you do! 

 

You seem very testy. Take it easy I’ve given up on asking you to back anything up. You never have, I doubt you ever will. I’ll just keep blowing verifiable facts out my ass, as you again so elegantly say, and you just keep ranting and cutting and pasting. God forbid you ever try thinking!

 

 


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Another thread hijacked by the political right. Or, is it left? Whatever. Can't you people ever stay on topic? Geez.
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It's called A.D.D. It can also be called other things, using different letters to signify it, but not all may be acceptable on a family format. Yet, examples range from: D.A.R. to R.R.P. and even N.H.A.C.A.T.R.I.A.H.
Fortunately, the N.R.A., A.A., W.W.E. and C.I.A. were absolved of blame, for now. Seems Ted Kennedy is still working on an angle whereas guns actually played a role in the buildup of force in Hurricane Katrina by hijacking warmer temps off the gulf and using them to raise atmospheric pressure on the downtrodden folks of Louisiana. This information was recently received via River Boat by a young lad named Huckleberry Finn and corroborated by one Tom Sawyer, who has a relative at CNN.

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