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... Some changes to the way the constitutional powers have been broadened over time by the Supreme Court in interpreting intent as well as verbage, have been a far reach. ....

 

To say that the Court has interpreted the intent of the framers of the Constitution is laughable. Read some of Jefferson's warnings regarding the potential damage that could be, and in the last 3/4 of a century, has been done by an unchecked court. Read the Federalist Papers for a clearer extrapolation of the intent of the framers. Especially James Madison's feeling on the duties and position of the Supreme Court. No way can that intent be reconciled with the actions of the activists judiciary. 

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Expanding constitutional protection of the individual should not be looked upon by either conservative nor liberal as an evil over step. 

  

Usurping the power of the legislative branch and destroying the system of checks and balances should definitely be looked on as an 'evil over step.' Activist judges may not always be to you liking. I certainly would rather entrust the protection of my rights to the Constitutional structures and processes as enshrined in the document than to nine individuals, acting beyond the scope of their proscribed constitutional powers.

 

You may now been the ally of an unchecked court, you  may one day be its victim. An unchecked court is much more to be feared than the our elected representatives in the legislative and administrative branches. 

 


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You may now been the ally of an unchecked court, you  may one day be its victim. An unchecked court is much more to be feared than the our elected representatives in the legislative and administrative branches.

Your points are well taken which is why the choices of judges is so critical. Judges can face down the illiterate mob who elect rancid politicians (or incompetent ones like W) and are ready to use the mob against minorities. I search my memory and can not find a decision that did not expand the rights of citizens while being tenuous in the grasp of the Constitution. This is not to say I agree with all of them. I can recall numerous decisions that greatly expanded the rights of citizens. Things such as supporting the 1964 Civil Rights act as mentioned and eliminating the ludicrous laws against being gay in the Bible Belt. I wish privacy were a protected right to eliminate ALL anti-sexual laws defining permissible acts by adults in private.
While more wisdom in the past has been expressed on a federal level, W & crew has shown that the sword can indeed cut both ways.
In California we vote on all sorts of stuff by referendum. I wonder what impact a referendum would have on secession. If the next election goes like the last two, highly dubious in validity and horrific in consequences, I could see secession and would happily welcome all the Blue states to join. That would take about 75% of the real revenue away from the war chests of the war mongers, not to mention about 80% of the literacy.


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In California we vote on all sorts of stuff by referendum. I wonder what impact a referendum would have on secession.

  

Why bother? The activist courts in California have enjoined or overturned just about every meaningful proposition passed. So, much for the will of the people. But, you're happy with the courts superseding any checks or balances?

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I could see secession and would happily welcome all the Blue states to join.

Rather cavalier attitude towards the union that so many have sacrificed to maintain. 

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If the next election goes like the last two, highly dubious in validity and horrific in consequences.....

Constitutionally, there was no option but for the Supreme Court to rule that, in accordance with the Constitution, it is the State Legislatures who sets the parameters for elections. (And all the parameters were in place before the election.) The Florida Supreme Court was simply and obviously wrong, and acting in breach of the US Constitution. An incredibly simple point that the left either CAN NOT or more likely WILL NOT grasp. 

 

The whole allegation of an improper election is, once again, obfuscation of the plain, clear and simple facts. 

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That would take about 75% of the real revenue away from the war chests of the war mongers, not to mention about 80% of the literacy.

Again ad hominem, the mark of a true liberal.

 

You seem to overlook in you reference to referendums,  stolen elections and attacks on the president, that President Bush, aside from receiving the majority of electoral votes, also received over 50% of the popular vote.  A feat not accomplished by a Democrat since Carter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Barry,

Your last post addressed to me (07:16PM) just shows how much your hate for President Bush has clouded your thinking. Barry, I don't believe for one minute you would wish for bad things to happen to anyone. Some Bush haters go as far as hoping that really bad things happen in Iraq so they can further their political agenda. Must be stressful carrying around all that hate all the time.

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I wish privacy were a protected right to eliminate ALL anti-sexual laws defining permissible acts by adults in private.

What you advocate is sexual license, not sexual freedom. Such conduct is severely punished by nature.

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I wonder what impact a referendum would have on secession

None.
If Stowe and Killington can't get out of the Socialist State of Vermont to join New Hampshire, California isn't going anywhere.

Lastly, there is a right and a wrong. Today, the feast day of Sts. John Fisher & Thomas Moore, the patron saint of lawyers, which I'm sure Donna will point out shortly, lost their lives attesting to just that fact.

"A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it." G.K. Chesterton Everlasting Man my summer reading.









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Terrence:

 

I really wasn't but since you brought it up.  I might not agree with all his teachings BUT I honor & respect his steadfast tenacity to separate Church from State.

 

He was beheaded on July sixth for fighting for these exact freedoms.....

 

Which goes along with my original premise.... " Therefore render unto Caesar........"

 

You've proven my point....Thank You


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Thomas Moore, a man who in his time, was responsible for enforcement of the anti-heresy laws of England, opposed pro-divorce Henry on the sanctity of marriage, and defended the supremacy of the pope; and was charged and tried for treason in not accepting the civil ‘Act of Succession’ can scantly be said to be in favor of the separation of Church and state.

 

Both Moore and Fisher were very much in favor of the Church of Rome dominating the state.


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St. Thomas More
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http://americancatholic.sparklist.com/t/1170050/11838141/1019/0/
His belief that no lay ruler has jurisdiction over the Church of Christ cost Thomas More his life

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St. Thomas More
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http://americancatholic.sparklist.com/t/1170050/11838141/1019/0/
His belief that no lay ruler has jurisdiction over the Church of Christ cost Thomas More his life

Again, both Moore and Fisher were very much in favor of the Church of Rome dominating the state, certainly not being seperate from, or equal to the state.

 

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams 

 

 

 


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You seem to overlook in you reference to referendums,  stolen elections and attacks on the president, that President Bush, aside from receiving the majority of electoral votes, also received over 50% of the popular vote.  A feat not accomplished by a Democrat since Carter.



I seem to recall that Al Gore got over 500,000 more votes than did Bush. Had all voters in Florida been treated equally in casting votes and being counted, the tragedies of the last 6 years would have been averted. We all know how black voters waited in Ohio for HOURS and Diebold voters kept voting for Bush even as they pushed the Kerry screen buttons.

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Again ad hominem, the mark of a true liberal.
Does the irony of this comment escape you? Or may I hope that you intended the irony?

I have two questions for you....are you glad to have Bush as your president for the last 6 years? And if so WHY????


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You are talking like a sexual child. Have you ever had any? Did you ever pass up any you wanted because you were afraid to go to hell? Your statement:
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What you advocate is sexual license, not sexual freedom. Such conduct is severely punished by nature.

Is typical rightwing jibberish. You say you believe in freedom but then here are your definitions:
Freedom - "Things I approve of"
License - "Things I do not approve in others"
I don't need YOUR license or your permission to fuck suck, kiss, lick or love anyone or thing I desire. I am a free man and so far the only thing nature has punished me with is the inability to do it more than three times a day. My ONLY regrets are having wasted all that time from 12 years old till mid 20s holding back and feeling guilty for not being perfect.




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Barry, Barry, Barry, you're starting to make me think that you don't care about your fellow man as long as you are getting yours.
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