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TerrencePTuffyLSA69

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The board has gotten a little dull lately, so I thought I'd spice it up a bit.
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I just think that many of your posts are not very well considered

I feel sometimes this is true. So I've gotten a lot of help putting the following together for this thread from a person with a screen name of "Catholic Solider". But, it is stated exactly as if I had written it completely by myself.
Pereant, qui ante nos nostra dixerunt!
Damn them, who before us have said what we wanted to say!(St. Jerome, In Ecclesiasten commentarius)
*Note: My first name was intentionally misspelled in the title of this thread.

Contraception presumably eliminates the risk of pregnancy so sex easily becomes about "me" rather than "us" or "the spouse" and children as a known possibility. With contraception, the object of sexual intercourse easily became selfish and the persons one could have sexual relations with became an "object" rather than a "person", with all that implies about a lack of love or even respect. Lovemaking became giving only part of one's self to the other. (You can have only this part of me) Having children are no longer in the picture.
The tendency toward infidelity,and other sins, certainly existed before contraception became "legitimized", then there was a much higher possibility of pregnancy. This helped us control our illicit passions. Now our improper passions have lost one way of being held in check. Better if checked by love of God and spouse than fear of pregnancy, but it worked. With contraception, women became like men in that they could have sex without getting pregnant. Heterosexual and homosexual relations become more similar if neither produce children.
Since contraception is supposed to eliminate the chance of conception, if contraception fails then something must be done to remedy the failure - that is abortion. It is the logical consequence of failed contraception. Even the supreme court of the US recently used this reasoning to maintain Roe v Wade.
If you know anything about sociology then you know that trust is a key to marriage. Fidelity is core component of trust in marriage. A lack of fidelity normally ends marriage. Contraception makes fidelity less likely, so more marriages break up - that's divorce.
Homosexuality has certainly been around forever but now we are about to give homosexual relations the same protection as heterosexual marital relations. Again, it logically follows from contraception. If married men and women can have unloving sexual relations without the possibility of children then why shouldn't homosexuals be able to do the same. Children are no longer understood to be a proper end of sexual activity. We move from one partner to the next and the next ... for a $600 fee to a no fault lawyer. The difference between doing that heterosexually and homosexually disappears.
To continue to reasoning - if we raise children without both parents how do they know how to be a good husband, wife, father or mother. This makes their chance for successful marriage even lower.
If we can kill the most innocent of human life in the womb, then what human life can really have value. It makes killing in the form of murder, euthanasia, suicide, etc that much more likely. If I don't have to respect people, why respect their property.
In other words, contraception destroys the fabric of our lives and society, the family. We suffer the consequences of that destruction horribly today. Thank God for the Roman Catholic Church - the only institution that understands this and continues to teach the Truth in spite of the persecutions She suffers for that teaching.



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This is another one of your posts that is not very well considered...

 

Please stop trying to force your beliefs on everyone else.  What someone thinks about this issue is their own business, not your's.  If this is what you believe - fine.  But don't dare try to tell me it is what I should believe also.

 

If you find this board a little dull, why don't you go elsewhere for your thrills...Technically, you shouldn't even BE here, as you didn't attend this school.  Stop trying to start trouble here - we have Johnston for that.

 

 

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The board has gotten a little dull lately, so I thought I'd spice it up a bit. YADDA,YADDA, YADDA

Too long. Trim down what you just said Terry.


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I think that this post is frightening.  If you think that "passion" is illicit and needs to be controlled then I feel sorry for you.  You obviously don't "love thyself".  Contraception has nothing to do with Love,  Affection or the Quality of a relationship.  To make the leap that contraception promotes "infidelity" is idiotic!  A successful marriage has to do with an EQUAL PARTNERSHIP between 2 people: man/women,  man/man,  women/women  that love each other and are committed to making it work.  And if they are very lucky-have "passion" for each other also.  Jesus was never as puritannical as the so-called "Christian Right".


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Make a list of the people you would want to have sex with. Then make a list of the people you would want to have a baby with. Tell me then, where does the real passion lie?
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This thread is a very good example of a "grenade".

 

 

Here's a description from http://www.flamewarriors.com 

 

Grenade isn't actually a Warrior, per se, but it's an ordnance so widely employed that no Flame Warriors guide would be complete without mentioning it. When lobbed into a discussion forum Grenade instantly blasts civil discourse into smoking rubble. Grenade's explosive content can be adjusted to the forum's interests. Typical detonating materials can be Bill Clinton, George Bush, gun control, homosexuality, Reagan, abortion, taxes, conspiracy theory, the NEA, welfare reform, etc. When facing certain defeat a Warrior can stall even the most determined attack with a diversionary explosion. Grenade can be a particularly destructive weapon in the hands of Evil Clown, Issues, Troglodyte or even Weenie, but almost any Warrior can use it to gain a temporary strategic advantage. Eagle Scout has been known to throw himself upon Grenade to save the forum.

 

Here's the same site's suggestion for dealing with this type of situation:

 

Not exclusive to any ideological orientation, her issue could be the environment, abortion rights, raw foods, breast feeding, whatever. Her obsession, however, provides the key to defeating her in battle; she can't tolerate indifference, so if her thrusts are simply ignored she will rage, accuse, condemn, plead and finally, go away.

 

 


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The point I'm trying to make is that the list of people you would want to have sex with is a lot longer than the people you would want to have a baby with. Having a baby takes more commitment than just having sex. It takes real love.
You said: "If you think that "passion" is illicit and needs to be controlled then I feel sorry for you." I think your confusing passion with lust. An' yes illicit sex does need to be controlled. STD's and AIDS comes to mind.
Also you said: "Contraception has nothing to do with Love,  Affection or the Quality of a relationship." and your absolutely right. It takes out of the equation what the real purpose is for having sex. Contraceptive sex is just Mutual Self Gratification.
Lastly you said: "A successful marriage has to do with an EQUAL PARTNERSHIP between 2 people: man/women,  man/man,  women/women  that love each other and are committed to making it work." How much more committed would they be if there was a child or children involved? I think they would work a lot harder at their relationship if that were the case.

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Sorry, let me add. You said "To make the leap that contraception promotes "infidelity" is idiotic!" To that I say "Guns don't kill people,......" How much would infidelity be reduced if the risk of pregnancy was present? A WHOLE BUNCH.
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Tony71: The "Little old Grenade Tosser, me."

Russ: That's about as trimmed down as it gets. Sorry ole man.

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Just curious, who is the mysterious, no info provided "John 66"?  I thought these sort of postings were forbidden.

 

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Technically, you shouldn't even BE here, as you didn't attend this school. Stop trying to start trouble here - we have Johnston for that.


Terry has just as much right to be here as you do.  Don't try to run this site - we have Russell for that

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 Don't try to run this site (John66) - we have Russell for that  

Closest I came to "running" this site was almost being run out of here.


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Just curious, who is the mysterious, no info provided "John 66"?  I thought these sort of postings were forbidden.

 

There are a few people who are regiistered and their names are unknown to us. Webguy knows who they are and will give then "time-outs" and the like when warrented.

 

I'm still trying to figure out who was James Arness?

I doubt if I'll ever find out.

Maybe it's best not knowing.


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