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TerrencePTuffyLSA69

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This is another one of your posts that is not very well considered...

Your opinion. Why don't you contribute to the debate rather than pointless ranting?
 
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Please stop trying to force your beliefs on everyone else.  What someone thinks about this issue is their own business, not your's.  If this is what you believe - fine.  But don't dare try to tell me it is what I should believe also.

I don't see anyone twisting your arm. The post was clearly titled. You could have just ignored it.
 
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If you find this board a little dull, why don't you go elsewhere for your thrills...Technically, you shouldn't even BE here, as you didn't attend this school.  Stop trying to start trouble here - we have Johnston for that.

From what Kerins says I was a MC a lot more often than Jim Flaherty.

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Joanne, I continue to think about your post. One thing that gets me is, I don't think anyone ever thought men would be so willing to just walk away from their children. In the olden days men would marry the girls they made pregnant, or at least take on the financial obligation. Today, it's " You're on your own girl. See ya."
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Okay genius, I'll contribute to the debate...Let me ask you - did you, in your lifetime, ever masturbate???  Did you ever, in your lifetime, have gratuitousness sex with someone???  Did you ever have sex with your wife without trying to have children???  Let he who is without sin caste the first stone...

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I think the basic problem with your logic is that you are making an assumption as to the motivation of people.  Again,  contraception has little to do with infidelity.  Men or Women who "cheat" on their spouses or partners generally do it no matter what the circumstances.  Sex doesn't always have anything to do with it-as we are seeing with internet relationships.  And to say that children would keep relationships together is not only naive but irresponsible.  If anything,  they strain relationships for various reasons.  Loyalty and fidelity-in fact all ETHICS are learned responses from our parents, schools, churchs, etc.  You have an antiquated and chauvinistic response to human sexuality and women.  I hope that you don't have a wife and children that you are forcing these ideas on.  Or if you do that they have the sense and the balls to make their own minds up.


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Okay genius, I'll contribute to the debate...Let me ask you - did you, in your lifetime, ever masturbate???  Did you ever, in your lifetime, have gratuitousness sex with someone???  Did you ever have sex with your wife without trying to have children???  Let he who is without sin caste the first stone...


First of all, no one here is "casting stones". There is no one here without sin. All I'm stating is, asking is; which would be the more perfect? And shouldn't we strive for better? Would you want to make love to someone who is giving their whole person to you forever? (Contraception puts part of human beings "off limits" from the other. You can have me. Just not all of me) Or, just the sexual parts for immediate gratification? Do you feel masturbation and gratuitous sex are intrinsically wrong?
Another way to look at it might be, which is the better sex? When you and your lover are trying to satisfy each others sexual need? Or, when you are trying to make a baby? Or, how 'bout need and baby? Wow, thats got to be powerful sex. Need and baby. I vote the later.

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I think the basic problem with your logic is that you are making an assumption as to the motivation of people.

That motivation being? How often would that motivation be for selfish reasons as compared to a true expression of love? 

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Again,  contraception has little to do with infidelity.  Men or Women who "cheat" on their spouses or partners generally do it no matter what the circumstances..


I guess we can't agree here. All I know is, if my concubine told me she was ovulating I would have to settle for the Bill Clinton type of tryst.


 
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Sex doesn't always have anything to do with it-as we are seeing with internet relationships.  And to say that children would keep relationships together is not only naive but irresponsible.  If anything,  they strain relationships for various reasons..

 
I didn't say children would keep relationships together. I said that people would work harder at their relationship if children were involved. Relationships take work and lots of it. You have to agree with that.

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Loyalty and fidelity-in fact all ETHICS are learned responses from our parents, schools, churchs, etc.  You have an antiquated and chauvinistic response to human sexuality and women.  I hope that you don't have a wife and children that you are forcing these ideas on.  Or if you do that they have the sense and the balls to make their own minds up..



I don't force anything on anybody. Decide for yourself which is a better way for you to go, an' Good Luck

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Hey Tuffy - I just read the subject of your post and boy, am I glad you're on birth control. It would be a scary world knowing that you could possibly reproduce. Stay on it, OK?


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 I glad you're on birth control. It would be a scary world knowing that you could possibly reproduce.

If Terry was able to reproduce, we'd be talking about something totally different.

 


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LOL, LOL - That's another good reason I spelled Terrence differently and left out the middle initial. Still funny
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I find most of the messages on this thread interesting. I agree with some, not with others. Some don't seem to say anything at all, so it's hard to know what to do with them.

 

However, here is what scares me: "Don't try to impose your beliefs on others."

 

The only way that can be done is if you have some physical power over someone else. This would allow you to cause that person to behave as you wish, at least in the short term. Absent this power, ideas must stand on their own. In no case can you force someone to change his or her mind, only change behavior.

 

I think what the abortion crowd seems to fear is that if we say "abortion is murder" often enough, people's minds may be changed. What they seem to forget is, by saying "abortion is OK" often enough, they have changed people's minds.

 

So John, please do not suggest Terrence stop stating his views. If they bother you, don't read them. Or, perhaps, examine why they bother you.

 

I have never heard a compelling argument that abortion is ok. Or, for that matter, homosexuality or promiscuity. And I have seen the damage wrought by engaging in these behaviors. This damage goes far beyond the proximate actors, extending eventually to all society.

 

It's hard to feel sorry for society. But it's easy to have sympathy for a mother and father who have forgotten how to smile because their son was burned down by HIV at the age of 26 as a result of surendering to a promiscuous homosexual lifestyle.

 

Before I go all over the map on this, enough for now.

 

And, by the way, don't waste your time attacking me. I won't change my mind. Nor will I shut up.

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Terry's views are as welcome here as anyone elses. He's been with this board and a part of this group for so long, it's as if he were a Gator. Besides, at least we know who he is and where he's from.
With all the different opinions on the subject of sex, either with or without same sex, different sex or even species for that matter, there's enough material to begin a whole new board. Anyone who doesn't like this board's subject matter would thus be in a minority and have eligibility to join that other group over on yahoo! Yahoo!, now there's a group most likely to hold interest in inter species sex. Sheep and Goats for everyone!
Just tryng to maintain my image as John's troublemaker.

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The only object I have to Terry's position was his picture of what I think was a bloody fetus. Not because it was a fetus. But it was all bloody.


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Russ, that's what is known as "Shock Value". The folks (EMS, Fire, Police, Nurses and Doctors) who live in the part of the world that has them deal with such things in an up close and personal manner, would in all likelyhood take such a photo in stride. The photo shows no more than their normal work day might. For those who lead more "normal" life styles, it would be considered gross and lacking in consideration. Not to say they don't feel any less emotional, just that the trauma of such a sight is taken in a different vein.
Not to undermine Terry's subject, but as a retired cop, he just presented his subject in a direct way and showed you the facts. Without the sugar coating or subtle imaging. That's real life and it is shocking.

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Not to undermine Terry's subject, but as a retired cop, he just presented his subject in a direct way and showed you the facts. Without the sugar coating or subtle imaging. That's real life and it is shocking.

What does a retired cop have to do with Birth Control and what looks like abortion?


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Your right, I apologize. Must be the cop in me. I must have been desensitized by all the crime scene photos I've seen. But! I'm glad your were upset
crime scene photos,,, get it?

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